A craving for salt can be a lack of potassium in your diet or a thyroid problem. Might want to check on that. I have had both.

Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 24, 2011, 09:52:37 PM
i never liked it that much before. ever, it was just o.k. i guess but now it's the best tasting food! and I'm kinda sure it's a guy thing to like it (or just any fried food that's terrible for you). i just wondered out of curiosity how many other guys noticed that same thing.   or how many women used to like it before transition but now don't so much.

What you crave is the salt and the fat and the the smoky taste.

You can find many sources of vegetable fat and you can buy liquid smoke. Putting them together with salt and products like tempeh, soya and tofu, you can satisfy your craving for salt, fat and the meaty texture without the need to kill innocent pigs and pollute local water supplies.

You don't crave bacon. You crave the taste.

Quote from: Linus on February 25, 2011, 06:57:35 PM
As another vegan, I found that my craving was for salt. And I think that is what the increased craving for meat is for omnivore FTMs on T is from. I recently switched to a more raw vegan diet and occasionally get a huge craving for salted sunflower seeds (I usually munch on those when at the laundromat)

Hands up, another vegan!

Quote from: Jake84 on February 25, 2011, 09:53:30 AM
I haven't eaten red meat in a couple years, fish and poultry only.  I went vegetarian for several years in my teen's/early 20's, and since then, I've not been able to digest red meat very easily.  I love chicken though, I doubt I'd be able to give it up, and certainly not on the high protein/low carb/low fat muscle building diet I'm on now.  Fish and chicken are staples now.  As for craving bacon after I start T next month, I'll just have to resist because it'll screw up my goal to get ripped. XD

Chicken and fish are HIGH fat foods and you can get your protein from so many other places. You can be veg and still get fit and ripped.

I'm with Rowan on this. I love (real) bacon. If I were to love it any more it could very easily reach indecent levels...highly indecent levels.

Gotta say, one thing i have definately noticed is the wanting of more protein/meat foods.

I've always adored bacon, but that might be because my family eats mostly meat and we used to have bacon for breakfast all the time. Idk, I'm just not happy unless I have bacon, corned beef, and chicken in my diet.

I don't like bacon and never have but I do want meat a lot more then I did before.

Can't say I remember what bacon tastes like.
I was a vegetarian for about 6 years.
I started eating white meat because with all the training I do I can't keep a steady weight. I just kept getting skinnier and skinnier. So I compromised and now just eat chicken and fish (still very rarely).
I do not crave red meat.

So I really hope I do not start needing red meat after starting T.

Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
What you crave is the salt and the fat and the the smoky taste.

You can find many sources of vegetable fat and you can buy liquid smoke. Putting them together with salt and products like tempeh, soya and tofu, you can satisfy your craving for salt, fat and the meaty texture without the need to kill innocent pigs and pollute local water supplies.

You don't crave bacon. You crave the taste.

I wish I could agree with this, but I don't. I've been (pesce)vegetarian for about 10 years and none of the faux-bacon products I've tried have come close to the real thing. I still salivate every time someone near to me eats bacon, and no amount of smell or taste similarities can satisfy me. It's something about bacon itself. Other cravings are often a sign of vitamin deficiencies, it's possible bacon or other meats have something. I don't even feel better when I fill myself with tofu or even salmon.

And in general, my meat cravings have gotten worse since starting testosterone. Fish used to be enough to satisfy those cravings, now it's not. It's annoying.

Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
without the need to kill innocent pigs

Kill the guilty ones, you won't feel so bad.

Quote from: JohnR on February 26, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Kill the guilty ones, you won't feel so bad.

This is making me think of the killer pigs in Hannibal.

Cows, pigs and chickens fear me.  I love bacon.  And the smell of it cooking make my mouth water.

Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM


Chicken and fish are HIGH fat foods and you can get your protein from so many other places. You can be veg and still get fit and ripped.

I could, but have little desire to.   It'd be more expensive and inconvenient living in a house with other meat eaters, we buy things we all can eat here.  I don't like vegetables or cooking enough to completely give up meat at this point in my life, so for now, I'm sticking with the poultry and fish.   I've heard a million good arguments for giving up meat and can't disagree with them, but right now I don't have the time or patience to deal with any big changes, the ones I'm dealing with currently are enough.

whaaah so many replies! so people respond more to food than people whining about their life huh? who'd have thought 
aahh nostalgia, i miss that old beggin strips commercial, when they changed the voice actor playing the dog it was just eh, not as entertaining.

Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
What you crave is the salt and the fat and the the smoky taste.

You can find many sources of vegetable fat and you can buy liquid smoke. Putting them together with salt and products like tempeh, soya and tofu, you can satisfy your craving for salt, fat and the meaty texture without the need to kill innocent pigs and pollute local water supplies.

You don't crave bacon. You crave the taste.

Chicken and fish are HIGH fat foods and you can get your protein from so many other places. You can be veg and still get fit and ripped.

um ok i guess your trying to help me here but i hate when vegans think they're above people who eat meat. seriously. it's kind of annoying, maybe you'll say you don't think that way but the line "the killing of innocent pigs." suggest otherwise, I, personally am not running out and gutting pigs so I'm not going to feel guilty about it. it's in stores i was raised eating it, that and chicken too, yum. i think animals should be raised the way it used to be done not the way it is now apparently according to people who made movies like food inc, and....that other one Ellen Degeneres was talking about. where animals are fed chemicals, steroids and such and can never move at all they're whole life cuz they're packed with way too many others in small cages. i agree that that part is inhumane but....I still think bacon, chicken, sausage is delicious.

i almost forgot to mention, those words i highlighted in red are probably so darned expensive. I'm not going to spend most of my check on organic food i probably wouldn't be able to find around here anyway, for the chance that maybe I'd like it and guaranteed no one else in the house would eat it. i need the money for T and top surgery saving.

I'm glad there's other people who have the same thing going on, or they just liked it in the first place. heh heh and I'm not even on T yet...i wonder what I'll want then?

Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 27, 2011, 12:25:35 AMum ok i guess your trying to help me here but i hate when vegans think they're above people who eat meat. seriously. it's kind of annoying, maybe you'll say you don't think that way but the line "the killing of innocent pigs." suggest otherwise, I, personally am not running out and gutting pigs so I'm not going to feel guilty about it. it's in stores i was raised eating it, that and chicken too, yum. i think animals should be raised the way it used to be done not the way it is now apparently according to people who made movies like food inc, and....that other one Ellen Degeneres was talking about. where animals are fed chemicals, steroids and such and can never move at all they're whole life cuz they're packed with way too many others in small cages. i agree that that part is inhumane but....I still think bacon, chicken, sausage is delicious.

i almost forgot to mention, those words i highlighted in red are probably so darned expensive. I'm not going to spend most of my check on organic food i probably wouldn't be able to find around here anyway, for the chance that maybe I'd like it and guaranteed no one else in the house would eat it. i need the money for T and top surgery saving.

Hey, sorry if it seems like us vegans are trying to derail your bacon thread, lol, but I do feel like I've got to stand up for us a little bit here.

First off, while I can't speak for anyone else, I definitely do not think I am better than anyone for any reason.  I am in a relationship with an omnivore and I love him unconditionally.  However, I can understand why some people might feel the need to 'enlighten' people.  A lot of people I have met don't understand how someone can turn their blind eye to animal cruelty for the sake of convenience... and really, being vegan doesn't have to be inconvenient or expensive.  I mean, rice&beans is very easy to make and cheap to buy.

In the end, we can't force anybody to stop eating what they are eating or buying what they are buying.  But there are honestly some people who don't know the facts who would be vegan if they gave it a thought.  If you already know what you are supporting and choose to continue for whatever reason, there is nothing we can do about that.

Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 27, 2011, 12:25:35 AM
whaaah so many replies! so people respond more to food than people whining about their life huh?

Does your whining involve ice cream?  I like ice cream.

Quote from: SnailPace on February 27, 2011, 01:22:27 AM
Hey, sorry if it seems like us vegans are trying to derail your bacon thread, lol, but I do feel like I've got to stand up for us a little bit here.

First off, while I can't speak for anyone else, I definitely do not think I am better than anyone for any reason.  I am in a relationship with an omnivore and I love him unconditionally.  However, I can understand why some people might feel the need to 'enlighten' people.  A lot of people I have met don't understand how someone can turn their blind eye to animal cruelty for the sake of convenience... and really, being vegan doesn't have to be inconvenient or expensive.  I mean, rice&beans is very easy to make and cheap to buy.

In the end, we can't force anybody to stop eating what they are eating or buying what they are buying.  But there are honestly some people who don't know the facts who would be vegan if they gave it a thought.  If you already know what you are supporting and choose to continue for whatever reason, there is nothing we can do about that.

I can't eat beans or soy (or a fairly long list of other foods, most of which are irrelevant here). There's no vegan diet that I'm aware of that contains adequate protein for me. Even vegetarian is problematic because my intake of eggs and dairy is very limited in type and quantity. I do tend to be fairly vegetarian on the "I can't afford food" diet, but that's at the expense of my health.

I understand that I'm the exception, but it irritates me to no end that vegans tend to talk as if their preferred diet is suitable, easy, and affordable for everyone. It's not. I'm perfectly happy to get on board with "eat less meat" and "support sustainable organic agriculture" and "boycott inhumane farming methods" and all that, but I wish people would stop there, rather than going further and insisting that vegan is the healthy and economical choice for everyone including total strangers whose health issues you know nothing about.

I've been craving BLT's. Unusal for me in the winter. I don't in the winter because the store-bought tomatoes aren't up to snuff, I wait for my first garden tomatoes to ripen.  I buy the bacon when I go camping, along with the eggs, another thing I like but don't usually buy. Bacon!
Joelene

Quote from: kyril on February 27, 2011, 02:09:57 AM
I understand that I'm the exception, but it irritates me to no end that vegans tend to talk as if their preferred diet is suitable, easy, and affordable for everyone. It's not. I'm perfectly happy to get on board with "eat less meat" and "support sustainable organic agriculture" and "boycott inhumane farming methods" and all that, but I wish people would stop there, rather than going further and insisting that vegan is the healthy and economical choice for everyone including total strangers whose health issues you know nothing about.

I agree.  I've been experimenting with diets for years.  If you do some research, you'll discover that there are quite a few people who seriously screwed up their health by adhering to vegan diets, even when evidence of their deterioration was obvious to the friends and doctors which surrounded them.  Some people don't do well on vegan diets without serious supplementation (which nobody really wants to do).  Not everyone can live on rice and beans.

I also hate to point out the obvious to any vegans on these boards, but meat is a perfectly natural food source.  Plenty of animals eat meat.  For that matter, "animal cruelty" is also perfectly natural.  Cats play with their food before killing it.  Many male bears will actually kill the cubs of female bears for the sole purpose that the female bear will mate with them to produce a new litter.  Not only is that cruel, but it is selfish as well.  In nature there is only survival of the fittest.  Egalitarianism is an unnatural idea that was conjured into existence by humans.

Animal cruelty is a complex issue.  It is driven by a lack of understanding of how animals experience their environment, and profit motive.  The former problem is solved by educating people who don't treat animals with respect.  The latter problem is solved by boycotting companies who use cruel and unusual treatment of animals to cut expenses or increase profits.

I'll eat meat if I get bored of my usual foods, but I much prefer vegetarian options when possible.  I've rounded up animals for slaughter, and it is not a fun thing to do.  Slaughterhouses are not pretty places.

I used to hate bacon, I was even a vegetarian for a bit. Now I love bacon, Im craving some right now.

I was a meat eater before but now I crave it and it tastes so much better. I'm always up for bacon though Especially if it's cooked to perfection not too crispy not too soft Man now I want bacon!