Seriously though, Im just so sick of hate and discrimination, and people judging others, and fighting and I just don't understand why everyone cant just love and get along. It makes me sick.

I know. But it's mostly fear that makes people unable to love, or their own pain they're running from. The best we can each do is set a good example, and somehow help people feel safer (without feeling like it's our responsibility) so they're freer to love.

Manifest Destiny.

Its just human nature, its why Capitalism won out over Communism.  As long as there have been humans, its been that way and until the end of all human beings it will remain that way.

Love, as many people define it, requires that people give, concede or share, not something that comes easily to many.  It also requires acceptance and that often interferes with ego.

Don't carry their crap and make it yours.  Live your life and let them carry their own baggage.

Love should be unconditional without any strings attached. A person has to choose to love also. Emotions are part of it but not the only part.

Gennee

gennee hit the nail on the head. It is easy to love someone who you have an emotional connection to - but sometimes, it takes work when it is not a person or a group that you are familiar with. It's really sad that this is the way it needs to be.

Quote from: CalebLance on March 01, 2011, 12:12:52 PM
gennee hit the nail on the head. It is easy to love someone who you have an emotional connection to - but sometimes, it takes work when it is not a person or a group that you are familiar with. It's really sad that this is the way it needs to be.

The above is so true. Ego though gets in the way so often. Greed. Selfishness.

I believe firmly the world could be so amazing if we all treat each other the way we would like to be treated.

Yet, when I am angry at someone who treats me badly, time and again. I wish that they would get known for being the crappy people they are. In that wish, does it make me a crappy person?

It does not feel good to feel that way, so I try not to think about those things. Stay positive. As Julie Marie says, "Don't carry their crap and make it yours.  Live your life and let them carry their own baggage." That is really what is important.

We all have better places to go and more important things to do than put up with negative people. There are people who want your attention, have things and life to share with you. There are many wonderful people out in the wide world. Seek and ye shall find. Hey Susan's has so many here!!!

Hugs.
Have a great day.
Patty

I believe firmly the world could be so amazing if we all treat each other the way we would like to be treated.

Sometimes I wonder if that's not the real problem.  In reality most people are not very good to themselves.  They wallow in guilt and shame, they are mired in self-loathing, they drag the accumulated weight of superstition behind them like Marley's chains.  They just think everyone else should be doing that too.

I'm firmly convinced that all outwardly projected hate starts as a hate of self born deep inside of us and then constantly reinforced by others for their own goals and needs.

And the world is populated with pimps, dealers, cut-throats, flim-flam men, grifters, and cheap hustlers, murderers, rapists, preachers and politicians and all sorts of people who we all know are dangerous thugs on the mean streets of the good life, who have ruined lots, and lots of people, and it's a good thing to discriminate and judge least you be their next prey and they are always on the hunt.

But there is another group, one that has created even more damage.  Those are the people who combine being narcissistic and self-absorbed with a pathological avoidance of responsibility and those people ruin lots of lives too, and they are not even aware of it - after all, the third part of that pretty much states that everything is always someone else's fault anyway.  I'll bet these types have ruined far more lives than the pimps and murders, it's just that they don't kill you outright they leave that for the slow march of time across the life of quite desperation that they leave you with.  Good to judge and discriminate on those folks too.  Harder to do though, they seem so nice and are so damn needy.

And there are a lot of things worth fighting for, as many people are discovering in an age when it looks like they may lose them.  Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Quote from: tekla on March 01, 2011, 01:39:06 PM
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

I say exactly this all the time.

The reason for all the hate is because people are afraid of what they do not understand. A rational person would attempt to face their fear and learn about that which they do not understand, but unfortunately this is beyond many people out there. They can't handle this lack of understanding of those who are different because they are insecure. They may not even have a solid understanding of who they themselves are. So rather than trying to learn, they get angry and try to destroy that which makes them feel so uncomfortable about the world and about themselves. This leads to all the hate, discrimination, and violence that we see in the world.

You can try educate such people, and maybe you'll get lucky. Some people genuinely don't know any better. Many people seem to take a disgusting pride in their ignorance. If you even try to explain how their beliefs don't necessarily apply to you, you'll be told how wrong and evil you are. So you're left with the choice to either put up with them or refuse to give in and fight for your simple right to exist, which brings me back to the above quote. I choose to never compromise on who I am and what I believe is right regardless of what the rest may try to do to me for it.

The reason for all the hate is because people are afraid of what they do not understand.

Oh, I'm not all that sold on that notion.  "People need to be educated" sounds elitist and uppity to me to begin with, as it assumes you know better than they do, and all that needs to happen is for you to shower down a bit of your enlightenment on them.  The second reason I don't like it is that I'm really damn sure a hella lot of people hate stuff that they absolutely know what it is, they've just reached different conclusions about it.

And for all the hate in the world I know more people who have had their lives ruined by meeting just exactly the wrong person at exactly the wrong time in their life.

Tekla & Pinkfluff,

you both have given allot to consider. I suppose you are right. (I don't like to concede the world is such an ugly place in so many respects. It is something I avoid looking at even though I know it is. I try to maintain a positive mind and deal with things on a basis which is in my realm of possibility.)

We do judge those that are obviously bad. It is the ones that Tekla described:

Quote from: tekla on March 01, 2011, 01:39:06 PM

But there is another group, one that has created even more damage.  Those are the people who combine being narcissistic and self-absorbed with a pathological avoidance of responsibility and those people ruin lots of lives too, and they are not even aware of it - after all, the third part of that pretty much states that everything is always someone else's fault anyway.  I'll bet these types have ruined far more lives than the pimps and murders, it's just that they don't kill you outright they leave that for the slow march of time across the life of quite desperation that they leave you with.  Good to judge and discriminate on those folks too.  Harder to do though, they seem so nice and are so damn needy.

This is the group....that is difficult to define.

I don't consider myself much of a fighter. But I would not let myself or my own back track for the acceptance of people like that.  What good would it do anyone? We would loose ourselves for the acceptance of the ignorant and self absorbed. In the end all would be lost anyway.

So you are right. Thanks for the provocation of good thoughts.

hugs,
Patty

people who combine being narcissistic and self-absorbed with a pathological avoidance of responsibility

It's the job description of just about every top executive in every Fortune 500 Company.

Quote from: tekla on March 01, 2011, 07:03:46 PMI'm really damn sure a hella lot of people hate stuff that they absolutely know what it is, they've just reached different conclusions about it.

Agreed.  I used to be naive, thinking that everyone was good at heart and it was only judgment and ignorance that made them bad.  Once I began playing online multiplayer games, I ran into "grievers" whose sole purpose was to ambush other players to make them miserable.  These people know exactly what they are doing, who their targets are, and the result of their actions.  They do it because they enjoy being mean.

Some people are just bad.  Some people are just ignorant.  Neither of those types of people are willing to change easily.

Misery loves company.

Misery loves collusive company .

Alot of very profound answers! I was just angry at that moment, I understand there will always be hate n stuff in the world as it is now, I just wish there wasnt 

Quote from: Michael James on March 03, 2011, 02:51:14 PM
Alot of very profound answers! I was just angry at that moment, I understand there will always be hate n stuff in the world as it is now, I just wish there wasnt 

don't we all but alas, it all is what it is. some are good some are bad, the hard part is figuring out which is which, which you'd think shouldn't be hard at all but there are the ones that are nice at first or for a while but as soon as you show who you really are they change on you. or the people who are nice because they want something from you or want to take advantage, too many people are 2 faced, then the people who grew up in broken homes and actually become their abusers later on instead of becoming someone better if it weren't for people who live solely on ego, as if their eyes or hearts have never opened and they are always right and everyone else wrong, same with those that cling desperately to sameness as if everything doesn't change completely every few years anyway   the world wouldn't suffer but like i said it all is what it is. wow that didn't help at all, that was just depressing. sorry....

if it weren't for people who live solely on ego...

there would be a lot fewer books, almost no movies or theater and very little music.

I also use to think all people were essentially good at heart, a naive and silly thought on my behalf. After meeting many people in many different roles from juniors at  work to politicians and a few extremely wealthy people, I have realised that most people do and act in any way they can to achieve their goals. If that involves tramping over people, selling people, hurting people, exploiting people or even killing people it is of no concern to them. If that is their mind set they do it. There are of course others who love and cherish people and seek to help and be fair and equitable to their employees etc. But again it is their mind set and they also probably don't change.

Love your neighbour as yourself, that is the whole of the Torah.

Unfortunately, many people don't love anything, not even themselves.

Cindy

Because a fair percentage of the population are ignorant, selfish, hypocritical and probably, when it comes down to it, really dumb?
Fortunately there are a lot who just want to get along.