I think both surgeons would be good choices.  If depth is a big concern, I would lean towards Suporn, but that is totally by hearsay.  I chose Dr. Brassard and am very happy with the results.  Administratively, Montreal can be a little short with their email responses.  But, I was never treated unfairly by them.  I don't know what questions you were asking.

I wonder where I an find the latest result pic of Dr. Brassard, most of pics I find online are old(5,6 yrs ago). Also I remember there was a transgender SRS yahoo group, is it still exist? somehow I can't find it. starting to consider surgery make me excited    

It's very difficult to evaluate Suporn's work compared to Brassard because Suporn performs a different procedure. As Suporn explains on his website, most US and Canadian clients lack a foreskin, it's this skin which is used to create the clitoral hooding which gives his work cosmetic appeal. Without a foreskin, his work is no better cosmetically than anyone else's. Another Thai surgeon, Dr. Kamol, is popular, has his own facility, is reliable and less costly than Suporn.

Whether someone wants to go to Thailand as opposed to staying in the US or Canada is a personal choice. Brassard offers an excellent and reliable procedure, comprehensive aftercare with 24/7 nursing care at his own facility, and all at a reasonable price. I went to Montreal for my SRS and I would recommend Dr. Brassard without hesitation. Suporn is expensive, and unless the client has adequate donor material, I don't know why anyone would go to him.

Quote from: atheris on March 15, 2011, 01:34:26 PM

I went to Montreal for my SRS and I would recommend Dr. Brassard without hesitation. Suporn is expensive, and unless the client has adequate donor material, I don't know why anyone would go to him.

It's amazing what Dr Brassard can do with so little material.  I've heard of people who barely had any donor material whatsoever getting adequate depth and reasonable aesthetics .

Unlike Suporn, doesn't Brassard do penile inversion?

Quote from: Robertina on March 15, 2011, 10:15:41 PM
Unlike Suporn, doesn't Brassard do penile inversion?

Either does Suporn.

Quote from: sweetie87 on January 13, 2011, 01:36:16 PM
Hiya all,

I've been on this forum for a couple of weeks now and would really like to hear from you and get some insights. I've already read lots of the topics on this board considering SRS and it's been very helpful

Let's start by saying I wanted to have SRS in 2007, but reluctantly had to postpone due to lack of money for the surgery at that time and couldn't take out a loan for it... I was a student at that time. As I am currently employed I have been saving money to pay for the surgery over the past months and years and finally can get to the point of scheduling for SRS. I've also contacted my health insurance and am quite likely they will fund the costs to some extent. I'm awaiting their approval and hope to receive it in a couple of weeks (info for Dutch girls and boys -- I know of some folks who have been able to get funding from their health insurance for SRS abroad... in the Netherlands it's been thought of as nearly impossible).

In 2007 I wanted to have SRS with Dr. Suporn and was really convinced of him. I still am, but lately I also started to look beyond Suporn and found out about Dr. Brassard from Montreal. The results on Suporn his site look very natural to me but I found quite some results online, and they were not that flattering. The results I found on the internet from Brassard are actually quite amazing and most look very natural to me. Throwing in the fact Suporn is even more expensive than Brassard, I seriously started to consider Brassard. I've only found 2 horror stories about Dr. Brassard (http://textsave.de/?p=20966 and http://textsave.de/?p=21007) but both don't seem to be happened recently so I'm not sure if they're representative. As for Dr. Suporn I found some more --fairly recent-- horror stories and also read comments from people who doubted if he really was that good. I also found out about other surgeons e.g. Bowers and Meltzer but they are way out of my budget. However I don't believe a decision on SRS should be based on budget, but I doubt the extra expense is making any difference as most Bowers/Meltzer/Brassard girls seem to be equally satisfied. SRS is something which can only be done once in life so that's why it is such a precious decision to all of us. So currently I have narrowed down my choice to either Brassard or Suporn. In the near future I'm able to see some of Suporn's work first-hand but even if it's really stunning I probably would still feel really comfortable going to Brassard. I also watched the presentation video on his website and it further enhanced my confidence in him.

So at the moment I'm still kind of undecided. I've waited so long for SRS and currently have saved enough so I decided to have SRS this year. I've read pretty much every topic out there on the internet forums about surgeons and SRS stories and took the plunge and started my own topic as well.

I've already had email contact with the Suporn Clinic and am about to inquire and ask questions via e-mail to Dr. Brassard as well.

I don't expect anyone to tell me "just pick surgeon X cuz he did mine and it's been great" but some guidance and personal stories and experiences would be really helpful. (what surgeon did you go to, are you pleased with the aesthetics, sensation, aftercare, residence? Did you need any revisions/corrective surgery, etc)

Thanks so much in advance for your replies

Xxx Sweetie

HI SWEETIE I WAS wondering how tall you are and how much you weigh, you look tiny and im small too and goin to suporn as well and wondering if height and weight play a factor in depth and width of vaginal canal and dialation pain?  and if you feel more exhausted and weak after srs if you weigh less

Hi!

Well in general I had a very smooth recovery! I'm over 180 cms and weighed less than 70kg before the surgery. After one week in the hospital I was around 65kgs which is not much considering my height. So my first look in the mirror scared me cuz of my weight. However it wasn't of any problem  when it comes to widht and depth. I'm over 6" or 16 cm depth. As for my weight; i ate lots of kfc and other fatty foods as to gain weight haha! So be prepared to lose some pounds! I had little post op pain and dilation is uncomfortable in the beginning but i wouldn't call it painful. Hope this is of help!

Quote from: sweetie87 on October 28, 2011, 11:29:33 AM
Hi!

Well in general I had a very smooth recovery! I'm over 180 cms and weighed less than 70kg before the surgery. After one week in the hospital I was around 65kgs which is not much considering my height. So my first look in the mirror scared me cuz of my weight. However it wasn't of any problem  when it comes to widht and depth. I'm over 6" or 16 cm depth. As for my weight; i ate lots of kfc and other fatty foods as to gain weight haha! So be prepared to lose some pounds! I had little post op pain and dilation is uncomfortable in the beginning but i wouldn't call it painful. Hope this is of help!

Thank you for your quick reply. im just rather worried cuz i hear you lose alot of blood? and have heard 3 suporn girls on here as im sure you have too talk about how they lost all width to were they could only get a pencil in. and that dialation is really painful and bloody. is this everyones experience? i guess some only"? or maybe they are just the honest ones.

im still thinking of canceling suporn and going to meltzer as i hear his recovery is quicker less painless and a prettier vagina. but not sure about how orgasmic his girls are as they dont really talk about orgasms  as much as suporn girls do.

in the perfect world i would want meltzer to do my srs for appearance and suporn to do the sensitivity and depth part lol. ive honestly seen atleast 4 suporn patients in person and they all have a big hugeee hole with the urethra exposed and scars. ugh. dont know if this is all of his patients

Quote from: winter88 on October 28, 2011, 11:47:43 AM

Thank you for your quick reply. im just rather worried cuz i hear you lose alot of blood? and have heard 3 suporn girls on here as im sure you have too talk about how they lost all width to were they could only get a pencil in. and that dialation is really painful and bloody. is this everyones experience? i guess some only"? or maybe they are just the honest ones.

im still thinking of canceling suporn and going to meltzer as i hear his recovery is quicker less painless and a prettier vagina. but not sure about how orgasmic his girls are as they dont really talk about orgasms  as much as suporn girls do.

in the perfect world i would want meltzer to do my srs for appearance and suporn to do the sensitivity and depth part lol. ive honestly seen atleast 4 suporn patients in person and they all have a big hugeee hole with the urethra exposed and scars. ugh. dont know if this is all of his patients

Hey girl don't feel too nervous about the surgery as you will be in good hands. The doctor and the clinic girls will do their best to comfort you. Don't worry about bleeding. If you don't have a tendency to bleed easily then you will not after SRS. Some blood during or after dilation is normal. If bleeding is an issue then simply try eating vitamin K rich foods such as lettuce or kiwi as it will help clot the blood and avoid alcohol for the first weeks after SRS as it will thin out your blood. Most of the girls in Chonburi had a very quick recovery when I was there, especially the young and thin girls. The best way to approach the surgery is to look forward to it and feel excited about it. Anticipate a quick recovery and you will find you will deal easily with adjusting to the daily dilation routine as well as the pain or discomfort. Do not *think pain* as then you will hurt and be in pain, instead relax and you will only feel discomfort. Just by having the right mindset you will find yourself dealing with everything much more easily. This is one reason why I discontinued all pain killers from day 9 and onward. You are even adviced to avoid using painkillers all the time prior to dilation as there is a mental aspect to taking pain killers. Taking a pain killer means you expect to be in pain, sort of a self fulfulling prophecy.

I'm also happy about the cosmetics and the way my scars are healing. The scars are small and much better than I expected before surgery. Keep us posted on your surgery and I hope I'm being helpful. You can always drop me a line

Best of luck with your surgery!

Quote from: sweetie87 on October 28, 2011, 12:25:46 PM
Hey girl don't feel too nervous about the surgery as you will be in good hands. The doctor and the clinic girls will do their best to comfort you. Don't worry about bleeding. If you don't have a tendency to bleed easily then you will not after SRS. Some blood during or after dilation is normal. If bleeding is an issue then simply try eating vitamin K rich foods such as lettuce or kiwi as it will help clot the blood and avoid alcohol for the first weeks after SRS as it will thin out your blood. Most of the girls in Chonburi had a very quick recovery when I was there, especially the young and thin girls. The best way to approach the surgery is to look forward to it and feel excited about it. Anticipate a quick recovery and you will find you will deal easily with adjusting to the daily dilation routine as well as the pain or discomfort. Do not *think pain* as then you will hurt and be in pain, instead relax and you will only feel discomfort. Just by having the right mindset you will find yourself dealing with everything much more easily. This is one reason why I discontinued all pain killers from day 9 and onward. You are even adviced to avoid using painkillers all the time prior to dilation as there is a mental aspect to taking pain killers. Taking a pain killer means you expect to be in pain, sort of a self fulfulling prophecy.

I'm also happy about the cosmetics and the way my scars are healing. The scars are small and much better than I expected before surgery. Keep us posted on your surgery and I hope I'm being helpful. You can always drop me a line

Best of luck with your surgery!

Thanks girl. this site is great help for someone about to have surgery. i feel more relaxed,

i read 2 suporn  girls on here say that they can only dialate with a pencil as their vag closed up. im sure you read it too. the blog is called suporn closed up? how can this happen? other girls are fine then they are not. does this happen to more girls than we know? or did they just not do something right? oh my god they said that dialation is so painful and bloody even 6 months later still in pain. oh lord that doesent sound right.  they cant even dialate. what went wrong. this really worries me

Well in fact things can go wrong with any surgeon. I cannot really comment on the 2 suporn girls where things went wrong, if may be bad luck I don't know. But consider the following; even in the unlikely event something goes wrong it is almost certainly better to be dealt with in a level headed way. To be honest I had a setback in the 3rd week while in Chonburi, because I was overwhelmed by the hormonal ups and downs (I just went back on hormones then), the medication and side effects I was experiencing, worrying over minor things that I shouldn't have worried about, feeling weak and so on. But I improved after a couple of days and then I started to enjoy everything feeling like I was on holiday with nice trips to Pattaya and the Beach house near Bang Saen.

The reason why they want you to stay for 4 weeks is to make sure you return home without complications. I'm 5 months post-op and dilation is not painful at all. It is only uncomfortable when I need to go to the toilet but have to continue because I should finish the session... At other times it is just a neccessary chore that has to be done and that requires discipline, sort of like a student that has to do homework after going to classes...

Quote from: sweetie87 on January 13, 2011, 01:36:16 PM
I've also contacted my health insurance and am quite likely they will fund the costs to some extent. I'm awaiting their approval and hope to receive it in a couple of weeks (info for Dutch girls and boys -- I know of some folks who have been able to get funding from their health insurance for SRS abroad... in the Netherlands it's been thought of as nearly impossible).

Sorry to bump this old thread, but I am from the Netherlands too and seriously considering going to Suporn, and so is a dutch friend of mine.

I was wondering how this turned out in the end, did you manage to get funding from your health insurance?

I have received a partial reimbursement of about  70% of the surgery cost excluding plane ticket and accomodation..these and the 30% part not reimbursed are however tax deductable. I can send you more details including letters to use for health insurance. The letters have to comply with specific criteria. Feel free to send me an email.. Its in my profile and i will be glad to help you and your friend 

Ok, thanks for the offer to help, you've got mail

Quote from: atheris on March 15, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
It's very difficult to evaluate Suporn's work compared to Brassard because Suporn performs a different procedure. As Suporn explains on his website, most US and Canadian clients lack a foreskin, it's this skin which is used to create the clitoral hooding which gives his work cosmetic appeal. Without a foreskin, his work is no better cosmetically than anyone else's. Another Thai surgeon, Dr. Kamol, is popular, has his own facility, is reliable and less costly than Suporn.

Whether someone wants to go to Thailand as opposed to staying in the US or Canada is a personal choice. Brassard offers an excellent and reliable procedure, comprehensive aftercare with 24/7 nursing care at his own facility, and all at a reasonable price. I went to Montreal for my SRS and I would recommend Dr. Brassard without hesitation. Suporn is expensive, and unless the client has adequate donor material, I don't know why anyone would go to him.

Actually, I have to disagree with this. I had my surgery with Dr Suporn on the 14th of March. Previously, I had been evaluated by other surgeons and told that as I had no foreskin and was not well endowed, the most I could hope for was about 2.5 inches of depth and very doubtful cosmetic results. Dr Preecha said the only way he could do better was skin graft and the sigmoid colon operation. I considered Dr Kamol, but although he was cheaper, he could not offer any other better options.

So, I chose to go to Suporn, and I'm glad I did. I am really impressed with his work and I think it looks great. I am currently dilating to 7 inches, which is outstanding all things considered.

The downside to Dr Suporn's technique is the pain, which I admit I have struggled with, but this is also due to my being allergic to a lot of medications...something that is not Dr Suporn's fault. Other girls who were there at the same time have had varied results. Some have had little pain and fantastic results, some have had complications. I think everyone's body is different. I can't speak for other surgeons, but I do think the comments you made about Dr Suporn were not accurate.

Quote from: Sophie the Serious on April 17, 2012, 10:30:34 AM
Actually, I have to disagree with this. I had my surgery with Dr Suporn on the 14th of March. Previously, I had been evaluated by other surgeons and told that as I had no foreskin and was not well endowed, the most I could hope for was about 2.5 inches of depth and very doubtful cosmetic results. Dr Preecha said the only way he could do better was skin graft and the sigmoid colon operation. I considered Dr Kamol, but although he was cheaper, he could not offer any other better options.

So, I chose to go to Suporn, and I'm glad I did. I am really impressed with his work and I think it looks great. I am currently dilating to 7 inches, which is outstanding all things considered.

The downside to Dr Suporn's technique is the pain, which I admit I have struggled with, but this is also due to my being allergic to a lot of medications...something that is not Dr Suporn's fault. Other girls who were there at the same time have had varied results. Some have had little pain and fantastic results, some have had complications. I think everyone's body is different. I can't speak for other surgeons, but I do think the comments you made about Dr Suporn were not accurate.

I read what you say and I wonder...

From 2.5" to 7" depth, just like that... and you do not mention how exactly this was achieved.
BTW, as it would be understood 7", AND with a shortage of donor material spells colovaginoplasty.
A VERY much different protocol from a so far mentioned inversion... right?
To achieve 7" -with inversion protocol- is yet another thing all together.
It does require to penetrate into the peritoneal cavity, by-passing the peritoneal reflection, going along the sigmoid-colon path, as of course is unavoidably in the case with colon-section (colovaginoplasty).
It is all but an option with inversion  and this only with a few SRS surgeon, to cut into the abdominal cavity - just to have more depth... and BTW much more then your average biological AFAB female.
Lastly, the comment of where the clitoral hood would then have come from, is only addressed by saying "...I think it looks great".
BTW, I do not doubt that it does look great, just to make quite sure.

You may appreciate though, that the information content on this reply is not really answering the previous post's points raised. Neither did it settle my curiosity how this apparent miracle (2.5" – 7") came about.

Hum...
Axélle

Quote from: Axélle-Michélle on April 17, 2012, 11:15:24 AM
I read what you say and I wonder...

From 2.5" to 7" depth, just like that... and you do not mention how exactly this was achieved.
BTW, as it would be understood 7", AND with a shortage of donor material spells colovaginoplasty.
A VERY much different protocol from a so far mentioned inversion... right?
To achieve 7" -with inversion protocol- is yet another thing all together.
It does require to penetrate into the peritoneal cavity, by-passing the peritoneal reflection, going along the sigmoid-colon path, as of course is unavoidably in the case with colon-section (colovaginoplasty).
It is all but an option with inversion  and this only with a few SRS surgeon, to cut into the abdominal cavity - just to have more depth... and BTW much more then your average biological AFAB female.
Lastly, the comment of where the clitoral hood would then have come from, is only addressed by saying "...I think it looks great".
BTW, I do not doubt that it does look great, just to make quite sure.

You may appreciate though, that the information content on this reply is not really answering the previous post's points raised. Neither did it settle my curiosity how this apparent miracle (2.5" – 7") came about.

Hum...
Axélle

Well, you have lots of information...I have a set of dilators. I also have an intact colon. So...

The 'miracle' is just the difference in whatever it is Suporn does. Sure, if I had more material, maybe I would have gone to a different surgeon. I looked at Kamol, Saran, Preecha and Chettawutt. I'm not going to attack other surgeons. I'm sure they've all done fine work, and sure, they are cheaper. I'm just telling you that I dilate to 7 inches, without a colon operation, and without skin grafts from anywhere outside of my groin. I know Suporn uses all of the scrotal skin, where not all surgeons do, but then, this was about the accuracy of your critique of Suporn, not others. Perhaps that's the difference. Suporn doesn't use penile skin for the vaginal wall; but instead, for the labia. It's possible he uses skin from the crease in the groin, but I don't know for sure. Sure a combined inversion plus graft would have given more depth, but I can tell you that Preecha said the only way he could give me 5 inches was with a colon segment. What else is there to say? What are you trying to say?

You made a point of comparing to genetic females on depth. Well, fair enough, but again, that's not what I posted about. I just said that your information was incorrect and that I had both a good depth and good cosmetic appearance with little donor material. I actually said to Dr Suporn that anything approaching 6 inches would be great, but in hospital I started with 6.75, which at least for now, I've managed to increase to 7 with committed dilation. As for the comparison, the penile inversion technique is less comparable with genetic females in terms of accuracy anyway...but again, that's neither here nor there. It wasn't the point.

Appearance is a subjective thing...and some people end up with better results than others. I'm saying that the result I have looks very good, and I'm happy with it. I don't know how he managed it, he just did.

You made a comment based on second hand information, I disagreed using my own experience. What's the problem?

It was actually not me that had a "disagreement" it was the poster before me, if that was a disagreement as such...

Sophie the Serious ...
saying: "Actually, I have to disagree with this." etc.

I was just quite amazed at what you had to relate. I had my SRS at (PIH) with Dr. Kunaporn, and ALL those "parameters" (for lack of a better word) passed by those other surgeons you mentioned converged with my own understanding - to date.

What you relate is very much outside any of these almost "basic mechanics" and how things in one's present understanding do seem work.

I'll add a link so it becomes more clear why it made me question your posted information also using the word "magic".
And please by ALL means it is just my enquiring mind speaking - let me say I am very happy for your finding such an extraordinary solution to your specific situation.

Link...: http://www.annelawrence.com/genitaldimensions.html

Take care,
Axélle

Quote from: Sophie the Serious on April 17, 2012, 10:30:34 AM
Actually, I have to disagree with this. I had my surgery with Dr Suporn on the 14th of March. Previously, I had been evaluated by other surgeons and told that as I had no foreskin and was not well endowed, the most I could hope for was about 2.5 inches of depth and very doubtful cosmetic results. Dr Preecha said the only way he could do better was skin graft and the sigmoid colon operation. I considered Dr Kamol, but although he was cheaper, he could not offer any other better options.

So, I chose to go to Suporn, and I'm glad I did. I am really impressed with his work and I think it looks great. I am currently dilating to 7 inches, which is outstanding all things considered.

The downside to Dr Suporn's technique is the pain, which I admit I have struggled with, but this is also due to my being allergic to a lot of medications...something that is not Dr Suporn's fault. Other girls who were there at the same time have had varied results. Some have had little pain and fantastic results, some have had complications. I think everyone's body is different. I can't speak for other surgeons, but I do think the comments you made about Dr Suporn were not accurate.

I have similar experience as yours great depth and after all the pain suffering and waiting was gone a result i can be very happy with. I could go on over comments made by medical staff and my own mother but what peoples see is always subjective somewhat like passing ofc

But after spending a total of 2 month in Chonburi i can also say this depth gain is something i heard alot of the patients.

Ofcourse there are good and bad results it is a major surgery turning what you once had into some a cis girl was born with but as far as Dr Suporn goes depth is something he likes to try give.

I am 5,3 almost btw and ended with 6.75 inch but lost some due to issues i still have an easy 6" though. No colon surgery