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Started by MarinaM, March 03, 2011, 03:23:44 PM

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Illusionary weapons

Quote from: Melody Maia on March 04, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
...now I am struggling with what part of me in the past was female and what was male and should I inhibit that old "male" behavior. I am slowly starting to realize I am just me and have always been. He wasn't a real person. Just a set of controls and protocols I used to hide her. I am not a fully integrated person yet, but I am getting there.
Very well said, defines psychological emotional journey.  My male side will always exist, he's a fortress which is actually a castle with fluted turrets, and reindeer to pull the sleigh in winter.
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Melody Maia

I also now wonder how GG women might experience this. I assume they do embody some of the masculine themselves. However I imagine, being born women in body, there is a lot less confusion associated with the feelings. They are secure enough in their femininity to not experience dysphoria by expressing the masculine within. They also have the advantage of a lifetime of female socialization to rely upon. I am just getting started with that bit.
and i know that i'm never alone
and i know that my heart is my home
Every missing piece of me
I can find in a melody



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lancem27

Hm, I can't speak from experience as I am male-identified. However. I think a number of GG's who are masculine feel a lot of anxiety about it at some point in their lives. Some as kids, then outgrow it and are happy as masculine women. Some really feel it in their teens...I feel bad for them, they don't always find a lot of acceptance.
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Illusionary weapons

Notice how it's become very common for females with karyotype XX to exhibit natural and healthy masculine traits?  It's natural and the reverse is true also, men showing and developing their feminine side which was always there. 

It's never really about denying who we are but seeing it all in the fullness of the light of our Being, how do we function as a living breathing Being.   Personally I'm a tom-boy so the masculine will always have a prominent place in me, but the full spectrum of female behaviour is how I truly function.
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aubrey

Quote from: Safiyah on March 04, 2011, 11:53:19 PM
Very well said, defines psychological emotional journey.  My male side will always exist, he's a fortress which is actually a castle with fluted turrets, and reindeer to pull the sleigh in winter.

Lol! Good times.
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MarinaM

Melody: There persists in every one of us a "non-existent dichotomy." We are always who we are. You were a woman before transition, you were just shoved into the male fraternity. Due to the bad hormones, you were forced to, and given the physical tools to, adapt. You can still like all the things you did before. Really, there is no hard set rule to this life. Forcing it one way or another (well, one way more than the other) is a dangerous game.

Safiyah: THE concept that helped me realize I didn't really have to have FFS (maybe). All of these GG's have masculine traits (you pick the parts): Megan Fox, Jennifer Aniston, Olivia Wilde, Angelina Jolie, Lea Michelle, Reese Witherspoon... Among many, many others who are considered incredibly beautiful. This is the way we're trending as a society.

* Side note: I had a moment with my closest girlfriends today, I feel better. Yesterday and the day before were pure mental chaos. Almost parallel to what put me in the hospital.
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Illusionary weapons

Quote from: EmmaM on March 05, 2011, 02:56:34 AM
* Side note: I had a moment with my closest girlfriends today, I feel better. Yesterday and the day before were pure mental chaos. Almost parallel to what put me in the hospital.
Emma OoOo :(  Really happy you're feeling better though :)  /hands Emma a glass of her favourite drink, now take things easy :P

Quote from: EmmaM on March 05, 2011, 02:56:34 AM
Safiyah: THE concept that helped me realize I didn't really have to have FFS (maybe). All of these GG's have masculine traits (you pick the parts): Megan Fox, Jennifer Aniston, Olivia Wilde, Angelina Jolie, Lea Michelle, Reese Witherspoon... Among many, many others who are considered incredibly beautiful. This is the way we're trending as a society.

That's exactly the right way to think about it Emma, a list beautiful women with masculine aspect would be incredibly long.  Call it zest, call it being alive, a masculine aspect can really bring out beauty.  Men with a feminine aspect are beautiful examples of the other side too.  It's direct proof of a fundamental unity of the sexes rather than a divide.
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Melody Maia

Emma, I like your description of my past life, but I am not trying to suppress my more masculine interests. I love watching baseball and playing softball and that will never change. What has been VERY interesting is how those things have been re-interpreted in my new outward identity. I told a genetic girlfriend of mine (lesbian) of my interest in joining a local GLBT softball league and she said "Oh, that is such a lesbian thing to do" which was funny to me because it never occurred to me that it would be viewed that way. Before, that was just a dude thing to do. Same interest, but new lesbian female identity so different interpretation by the world.

The challenge has been in figuring out what is the more masculine side of my female identity and what is just male socialization. I love to talk now, and especially with other women, about my life, my feelings and my future. My male socialization and need to present male prevented me from doing that in the past, but I find it very easy to embrace now (and it is indeed expected of me) as the expression of the female side of me. However, when I sit sometimes I tend to let my legs drift apart if I am not vigilant. I think that may be more male socialization than innate characteristic. I love playing sports and that is probably a more masculine attribute of my female identity. All these things are going on like a little symphony in my head when I go out as the the full-time woman that I am.

Funny thing is that I have been told that I would probably have a hard time passing as a guy even if I wanted to now. That I seem very feminine. The people in my new home have embraced me for who I am and never saw the boy facade, so I think even if I do anything that could be considered masculine, my presentation trumps all and it is just seen as a somewhat masculine action by a female as opposed to "him" reasserting himself. This stuff makes my head dizzy!

Ok, and as a capper to this long-winded response, I have come to one other realization recently. I was never the girly type when I was a child. Had no interest in playing with dolls and loved to rough-house. That bothered me for quite a while and prevented me viewing myself as a transwoman for years. Two things though have given me insight and reassurance here. The first is that my ex-wife (and lots of other women) was also not the type to play with dolls and no one would ever doubt she is a woman. The second is that if I had been born in a female body and acted as I did as a child, my parents would have been worried I would grow up to be a lesbian, which is what I am  ;D. Don't know why the second gives me comfort, but it just does.
and i know that i'm never alone
and i know that my heart is my home
Every missing piece of me
I can find in a melody



O
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Jenna_Nicole105

Thus far it doesn't look like I will lose family and friends, everyone at least says they support me 100 percent.

I hope this continues to be the case, once I actually start living more full time... we shall see.

I do worry about losing my job and not being able to get another one, simply because... well one needs money to survive and certainly to transition.

I'm ultimately hoping for the best, while trying to prepare for the worst. In the end I'll lose whatever I have to lose, as happiness trumps all.




Formerly known as Tiffany_Marie

On HRT since 7-27-2011 and feeling great!
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Key

I'm worried most about my parents cutting me off from their insurance when I tell them I've decided to transition.  I think at the moment that and being kicked out of the house again are my biggest fears.  If it happens, well, I don't know...
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Illusionary weapons

Key even of the worst does happen you'd have been true to yourself that is worth everything believe me, life is too short none of us knows how long we actually really have to live.

I never got to tell my father he passed away 2 years ago, his slightly bigoted unacceptance of anything like this created a rift which was bridged and we we're really close but our relationship could have been even better and tbh if I'd told him gently but firmly who I was and he reacted extremely badly (because we really do not know) then so be it.  We'd have reconcilled at some point I know that.
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