Speaking of terms...

Some people seem to use these two interchangeably, while to me genderqueer seems like more of a willful bending of gender roles-more of a political act-to be publically genderbent.
And androgyne seemed more innate, like "This isn't a choice, this is who I am..."

That's why I don't like the term genderqueer for myself these days.  It used to be quasipolitical; or so I thought...but now it's about being at home in my own skin. It's about being who I really am-about taking joy in myself.

How do you-all feel about those two terms?

they are both umbrella terms for non binary gendered people and as such are to broad to use as an identity most gender diverse people I've met IRL haven't heard the term androgyne while they all have their own opinion of what genderqueer is, most local trans people see me as genderqueer and If I'm dancing away with lesbians and If I'm asked how I I.d. I generally say "genderqueer asexual Lesbian" and they have been fine with that.  Normally when that happens I'm all frocked up with other gender diverse people. that was a fun night

If someone calls themselves genderqueer, I feel like I have a fair idea what they mean by it (though I'll usually ask too ), but I won't use it myself because I have a personal negative history with the Q word, and can't abide the scourge factor it had (and still often has in the wrong hands).

Androgyne seems to be used more to say "I have no gender" - or at least that's the flavour I pick up from people. I'm kind of keener on polygender now, since people don't seem to get what ambigender means . But I feel like I am both (which presupposes a 'both' to be, I know, but that's how I experience me) - so a 'neither' doesn't really fit, for me.

I think in the end, whatever we call ourselves we should be happy to explain what it means to us, because it's inevitable that the meaning's going to be different from person to person.

I always figured that Androgyne meant something more like "neither or in-between" genders, whereas genderqueer implied a fluidity in gender identity. But that is just my personal interpretation.

I've only heard genderqueer as an umbrella insult, while gender<not allowed> implies intentionally raising eyebrows by changing your appearance. Androgynuity is more complicated but it's not normally done for the intention of... trying to think of a better term... "trolling" the world.


Edit: oh wow, censors.  genderfunk (turn the n around).

I always thought that Androgyne was someone who's appearence was neither male nor female, but that they still had a gender. As I've heard the terms Agender and Neutrois for people who do not have any gender at all. Genderqueer was more that you had a gender but it didn't fit within the traditional male or female and Genderfunk was just a more in your face version of Genderqueer. Which is why I apply Genderqueer to myself, I'm defently not male or female I'm more female than male, but neither and I'm pretty in the closet about it.

Not real sure, about the queer part.  Is it to mean gay or odd or unconventional, or eccentric or conterfeit ?   

Quote from: espo on March 11, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
Not real sure, about the queer part.  Is it to mean gay or odd or unconventional, or eccentric...

Yes, any or all of those things.

Quote from: espo on March 11, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
...or conterfeit ?

Let us hope not. Gender has no meaning or value if it is counterfeit. Counterfeit gender is just a game, a trick, an amusement, an act, a fraud, a deception, an imitation, artificial, bogus.

Be yourself, not a gender.
Being yourself is effortless and genuine.
Being yourself is REAL, not counterfeit.
In being yourself, in behaving in a manner which is natural to you, whatever gender you are becomes self-evident.

-Emerald

I think of genderqueer as not fitting under the male or female label.  In my mind, androgyne would fall under this heading.  I'd describe the willful bending of genders as gender->-bleeped-<-.  It's interesting how we all seem to have different definitions for these.

Genderqueer covers a pretty wide range, and some androgyne individuals may feel comfortable within that range or overlapping with it.

Genderf***king is an activity more along the lines of how I read the original post's notion of genderqueer.

I used to see genderqueer as a performance and androgyne as an identity.

Quote from: Pica Pica on March 12, 2011, 05:40:33 PM
I used to see genderqueer as a performance and androgyne as an identity.

Hummmm.....that's interesting. 

Emerald,

Did you coem up with this:

"Be yourself, not a gender.
Being yourself is effortless and genuine.
Being yourself is REAL, not counterfeit.
In being yourself, in behaving in a manner which is natural to you, whatever gender you are becomes self-evident.

-Emerald"

Or, where did you find it?

It is profound and very seminal to those transitioning, as it is the secret to "pass" (I hate that word but I cannot find a better one).

Kate

to me androgyne means something specific: the blending or diffusion of binary genders, so you're not entirely one or the other.

whereas genderqueer means nothing specific: just that your gender is "queer" somehow, and you're not saying exactly how, but you're not saying it in a positive in-your-face kind of way.

@kate durcal
Thank you for the compliment. The words are my own.
-Emerald

When I identified as genderqueer, it was a fairly fluid place to me. I saw the gender binary, but picked and chose between the traits there to better fit who I was. I wasn't putting on a performance or trying to be political. I was just using binary gendered language to describe different aspects of myself.

When I stopped doing that, I became much more comfortable identifying as androgyne. At that point, I stopped viewing different aspects of my personality or behavior as "masculine" or "feminine." They just are. I'm not some mystical blend of arbitrary gender concepts. I'm me. I have whatever gender exists outside of culture and societal prescription.

Since the terms are fairly fluid and may be applied in multiple ways, though, I don't much worry about what they might mean to other people. They're just words. Words can't encompass the reality of a human.

I find that these terms mean different things for different people.  It's all about what feels right.

Some people seem to use these two interchangeably, while to me genderqueer seems like more of a willful bending of gender roles-more of a political act-to be publically genderbent. And androgyne seemed more innate, like "This isn't a choice, this is who I am..."
That's why I don't like the term genderqueer for myself these days.  It used to be quasipolitical; or so I thought...but now it's about being at home in my own skin. It's about being who I really am-about taking joy in myself.
-hylie random

they are both umbrella terms for non binary gendered people and as such are to broad to use as an identity most gender diverse people I've met IRL haven't heard the term androgyne
-Kinkly

I think in the end, whatever we call ourselves we should be happy to explain what it means to us, because it's inevitable that the meaning's going to be different from person to person.
-yoxi

I always figured that Androgyne meant something more like "neither or in-between" genders, whereas genderqueer implied a fluidity in gender identity.
-Yakshini

I've only heard genderqueer as an umbrella insult, while genderfu*k implies intentionally raising eyebrows by changing your appearance. Androgynuity is more complicated but it's not normally done for the intention of... trying to think of a better term... "trolling" the world.
-My Name Is Ellie


I always thought that Androgyne was someone who's appearence was neither male nor female, but that they still had a gender. As I've heard the terms Agender and Neutrois for people who do not have any gender at all. Genderqueer was more that you had a gender but it didn't fit within the traditional male or female and Genderfunk was just a more in your face version of Genderqueer.
-f1r3wire

Not real sure, about the queer part.  Is it to mean gay or odd or unconventional, or eccentric or conterfeit ?
-espo

Gender has no meaning or value if it is counterfeit. Counterfeit gender is just a game, a trick, an amusement, an act, a fraud, a deception, an imitation, artificial, bogus.
Be yourself, not a gender.
Being yourself is effortless and genuine.
Being yourself is REAL, not counterfeit.
In being yourself, in behaving in a manner which is natural to you,
whatever gender you are becomes self-evident.
-Emerald

I think of genderqueer as not fitting under the male or female label.  In my mind, androgyne would fall under this heading.  I'd describe the willful bending of genders as gender->-bleeped-<-.  It's interesting how we all seem to have different definitions for these.
-Lee

Genderqueer covers a pretty wide range, and some androgyne individuals may feel comfortable within that range or overlapping with it.
-SydneyTinker

I used to see genderqueer as a performance and androgyne as an identity.
-Pica Pica

Hummmm.....that's interesting.
-espo

to me androgyne means something specific: the blending or diffusion of binary genders, so you're not entirely one or the other.
whereas genderqueer means nothing specific: just that your gender is "queer" somehow, and you're not saying exactly how, but you're not saying it in a positive in-your-face kind of way.
-jenalex

When I identified as genderqueer, it was a fairly fluid place to me. I saw the gender binary, but picked and chose between the traits there to better fit who I was. I wasn't putting on a performance or trying to be political. I was just using binary gendered language to describe different aspects of myself.
When I stopped doing that, I became much more comfortable identifying as androgyne. At that point, I stopped viewing different aspects of my personality or behavior as "masculine" or "feminine." They just are. I'm not some mystical blend of arbitrary gender concepts. I'm me. I have whatever gender exists outside of culture and societal prescription.
Since the terms are fairly fluid and may be applied in multiple ways, though, I don't much worry about what they might mean to other people. They're just words. Words can't encompass the reality of a human.
-Lepidoptera

I find that these terms mean different things for different people.  It's all about what feels right.
-Jaimey


Although some of the above was pulled out of context, I think it has a lot to say.
-Ativan

I feel like genderqueer is a word like transgender that covers a bunch of different identities. I think that a person who identifies as androgyne feels both male and female. In my mind the term makes me think of a fairly set middle identity.

Genderqueer I feel includes people who are gender fluid, bigender, agender, androgyne, two spirit, third gender or any other gender that isn't "man or woman."

Quote from: Nygeel on March 21, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
I feel like genderqueer is a word like transgender that covers a bunch of different identities. I think that a person who identifies as androgyne feels both male and female. In my mind the term makes me think of a fairly set middle identity.

Genderqueer I feel includes people who are gender fluid, bigender, agender, androgyne, two spirit, third gender or any other gender that isn't "man or woman."

But in this forum, androgyne means what genderqueer means to you.

Like I said, it's different for every person.

(...I wasn't disagreeing with Nygeel...I just used their post to prove my point.  *opportunist* )