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I will never understand.

Started by Natasha, April 15, 2011, 01:50:39 AM

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Stephanie

I think that people should concern themselves with their own transition and forget all about issuing the 'Ten Commandments of Transsexuality.'



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jainie marlena

Quote from: Princess of Cups on April 17, 2011, 08:46:41 PM
I think that people should concern themselves with their own transition and forget all about issuing the 'Ten Commandments of Transsexuality.'

lol. I liked that :laugh:

V M

I'll never understand the "More Trans Than Thou" types  :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


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Tamaki

Now that I've had time to clam down and I'm in a much better mood in general I want to respond to a few things.

Why wait? There are reasons why I am transitioning later in life. The biggest reason is one that even I take for granted and that is there was no Internet when I was going up. If I wanted to know something that wasn't on TV I had to go to the library. The town I lived in had no public library so the only option was the High School library. Certain books were banned from our school library and there was nothing related to LBGT anything. In this town here were no gay bars or drag shows or anything like that. After High School I went to a conservative religious university so not much changed. The only exposure I had to anything even close was watching actors on TV like Milton Berle and Flip Wilson dress in drag for laughs. The utter lack of information was amazing. My first exposure to anything transgender was In college when people made derogatory jokes about sex change operations. The Internet has totally changed the game. Not only is the information easily available but so is the support. I really is a different world. In fact one of the reasons that I started looking at my gender issues when I did was that I had seen what facial feminization surgery could do. Seeing those before and after pictures on the Internet gave me hope that even an middle aged guy like me might be able to look alright. There are many more reasons but this is sufficient.

Why get married? I'm attracted to women not men, I fell in love and got married. I told my wife when I met her about my gender issues, at least as much as I knew at the time. We work hard on our marriage and have always striven to be our genuine selves with each other. We have to let each other grow and it's not always pleasant.

Having kids? I don't know, i didn't have any.

Using that disgusting thing? I was convinced by others at a very early age that I could not be female so I tried my best to be male. Sex has always been difficult, something wasn't right. Even so I still want to please my partner and be close to her in that way.

The fetish comment really got me. If you're talking about a sexual fetish you're way off base. Hormones have killed my sex drive and I'm thrilled! What I'm obsessed with is getting my transition over and living my life.


I tell you what I don't understand, the young transitioners.

I can't imagine what it is like to be under 18, dependent on your parents and trying to get counseling and hormones. My parents would never had allowed it.

I can't imagine what it would be like trying to transition in high school or even before that. High school was hell for me without trying to transition.

I can't imagine getting forced out of my parents home, trying to live on my own and pay for transition much less just surviving.

I can't imagine all the struggles unique to being young and trans. Just like you can't imagine being older and trans.

I admire the courage it takes to transition young. Even if I had been born 30 year later than I was I'm not sure I would have had to courage and confidence to transition as a teen.



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FairyGirl

Heck I'll never even understand men, much less worrying about when somebody else decides to transition.
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E

I rarely see such bald-faced hatred. It sounds like a late transitioner killed Elizabeth's parents!

I don't understand how it's possible to wait that long, either. Heck, I don't understand how it's possible to wait as long as I have, and I'm 22! I don't understand how it's possible to be a man, or to be Christian, or a Republican. Doesn't mean I'll accuse all men of secretly being women, all Christians of secretly beings atheists, or all Republicans of deep down agreeing with the Democrats.

One of the things I've learned in life is to tolerate those people I don't understand. It is a shame that I, at age 22, seem to have more life experience than this woman has in her 60s.
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V M

It sounds like a late transitioner killed Elizabeth's parents!

Yes, and they were delicious  >:-)
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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xxUltraModLadyxx

not everyone can come out of the womb and start transitioning. i didn't end up living full time as female until just about last year, and there's still more ways i want to express myself. i came to terms with my gender when i was about 13, and i accepted i was transgender. it didn't matter that i had short hair, wore plain tshirts and pants, and was not on female hormones. most here would say i'm doing this young, but it took many steps to get here. i had to finish high school and keep my life as unisex as i could, and then i also had issues with my mom and what she allowed me to do. since i had a mix of aspergers and bad depression, i just couldn't stand up for myself, because i thought i wasn't worth anything, and that some people just had to aim lower. i got through it and i improved, but being hostile about when and where someone transitions in their life is just going to add more discrimination and segregation that we are trying to rid ourselves of.
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Just Shelly

so.................I'm guessing Pia & Elezy both transitioned before the age of 12???

I can not even attempt to respond to this unbelievable BS without exploding. 

Just read what Meghan wrote.

What a hoot!

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on April 17, 2011, 08:56:09 AM
Lol. That was funny, especially Pia's response. Thanks for that. It's the internet, where people are free to claim they are the most female of female and that they have a life that is enviable to all. I'm sure these people look like Megan Fox and have voices as sweet as nectar and ooze femininity. Boys can't get too close to them because they turn into girls. Yikes!

Try to keep it in perspective. Some girl no longer feels relevant so she throws out a post about how she hates how xyz type of person isn't as abc as her. Check out her blog, she uses a picture from 1971. Craziness! It's like when you are in a car accident and usually the person yelling the loudest is usually the one lying. Usually people who feel the need to say that they are something that makes them different from you are, in reality, very similar to you and that scares the bejesus out of them. "I'm not like THIS person, heavens no! I'm like THESE people over here!" Don't imagine it too long, you might get sucked into the vortex and not be able to get out.

People sometimes feel the need to state why they are so different from others and there's an implied hierarchy in their mind. It happens all the time. It happens here sometimes, usually by the same people over and over. It's their MO. Don't let it get you worked up :) Imagine what it would be like to live with that much negativity in your life. Imagine what it would be like to be that bitter that you actually let what other people do bother you that much that you need to make a post about it. As people get older and their belief system is challenged by people coming after them, they'll fight back. Echos of "it wasn't like that in my day!" can be heard. "You young whippersnappers wish you were like me!" Just let them fade away into obscurity. It's better that way ;) Be well, smile, and, most importantly, don't let the negativity get to you! Meghan
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jainie marlena

Yeeah what Meghan wrote.       and what Hannah_Irene wrote sound alot like what I wanted to write.

JohnR

Quote from: Pia on April 15, 2011, 09:18:36 AM
I can't understand it either.  Why wait 30, 40, 50, or 60 years if you're "female" as you say you are.  Why get married?  why have children?  why use that disgusting thing of yours if you "can't stand it" as you say.  Most of them actually are.  I know because I've met them.   I know because I've talked to them. 

I sometimes read the posts here: "oh poor me, poor me, I can't have GRS, I don't have the money for it, I can't stand what I've got between my legs, I'm so depressed"  and 10 posts before that, they're talking about their ex-wives & four children.  Who are they trying to fool?  If you can't stand "it", why have 4 children, why get married? why transition when you're 50 &  mess up the lives of your wife & kids to satisfy a fetish.  That's pretty damn selfish.

Possibly for the same reasons that you waited until now to display your ignorance.

(Being patronised sucks, doesn't it, sweetcakes?)
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Dawn D.

I am not a very politically correct person. I usually (at least I think I am) rather reasonable though and easy to get along with. However, I will tell it like I know it. Anyway, I posted a comment to her yesterday. Wow! what a response she offered back! So, I just spent a little time in firing a rebuttal to her. This supposed "privilege" thing just eats me up when it's thrown in my face! Rather than wasting space here right now, I'll wait a bit to see if she allows it through.


Dawn
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arbon

Dawn - why bother? she will never listen or see your point of view. She is to full of herself and narrow minded. It is not worth it.



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kyril

I will never understand trans women.

However, what I will do is refrain from making long, offensive, self-centered blog posts about things I don't understand just for the purpose of stroking my own ego.


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Staci3336

Ok it is what is, but I will say ,, Pia and her have a right to thier opinion,, right or wrong,,. Discussion does not hurt ( although reading her blog, touched some senstive spots with me,  especially because I am twice married  and have 2 kids) but if this kind of thinking is real within our inner circle we should talk about it, not attack from either side. God knows our cross is heavier than most and he has chosen us to be stronger than others.. So we need to take the high road and keep the dialog open
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Catherine

Quote from: Staci3336 on April 19, 2011, 10:11:56 PM
Ok it is what is, but I will say ,, Pia and her have a right to thier opinion,, right or wrong,,. Discussion does not hurt ( although reading her blog, touched some senstive spots with me,  especially because I am twice married  and have 2 kids) but if this kind of thinking is real within our inner circle we should talk about it, not attack from either side. God knows our cross is heavier than most and he has chosen us to be stronger than others.. So we need to take the high road and keep the dialog open

Sorry I disagree. Trans people are a vulnerable group. When someone like her judges us and basically condemns us, she needs to keep those views to herself.

Debate is fine but she is not asking why some people present late she is basically saying we are not 'properly transgendered'.

I personally find her views offensive but I am willing to explain to her what caused me to try and live a lie for so long, and that doesnt make me any less trans than anyone else.
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Staci3336

Good point Catherine,, and I love the
Quote'properly transgendered'
LOL just think the heyday a therpist could have with that term!!  ;D
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Gabby

Quote from: Natasha on April 15, 2011, 01:50:39 AM
I will never understand.

http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/2011/04/i-will-never-understand.html
4/13/11
By Elizabeth

I will never understand late transitioners.

I will never understand how someone that is a Type V transsexual or a woman trapped in a man's body can marry and father children if they are a woman?

I will never understand why some late transitioning man can suddenly believe he understands all things female just because he is transitioning.

I will never understand why late transitioners actually believe they are role models and want to be out in front representing transsexuals. In my opinion you are the entire perception problem transsexuals have.  Kim Petras can be a role model. Ashley Prince can be a positive role model. Late transitioners cannot be role models.

This doesn't even make sense.

I'm a late transitioner, 37 in a couple of months.  But I have no children, never been married because of dysphoria/euphoria.  She might have a point about late transitioners suddenly thinking they know all things female because they have female hormones in their system.  Logics and reasonings (notice the use of the plural in both of these) that should have developed over a person's lifetime regardless bloody hormones.  It's more drop the male and allow what is there to flourish.

Tell me why automatically late transitioner can't be a rolemodels Elizabeth?  Or that someone of 18 can't marry and have children?  Damn she's a fookin douchebag.
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andream

Fortunately it doesn't really matter if you don't understand the motivations of others. Your lack of understanding - and more, your lack of a desire to understand - doesn't invalidate the life of the people whom you refuse to understand - not even in the slightest.

As dear old Willy said: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."

Hatred of something doesn't preclude one from continuing to 'try and make do' with what one has. I hate my crappy, beaten up car, but I make do with it because it is the only car I have, and I can't afford to buy a new one. Sometimes I even learn to like my junker of a car - it's ugly, but it's MINE - but deep inside I know I really can't stand that car and would exchange it in a heartbeat if I had the right resources.

Late transitioners make do with the male body they have for a multitude of reasons, mainly due to fear and lack of information. It wasn't until the past ten years, with the explosion of the internet, that many of us have come to the realization that we can indeed transition, and that there are many others out there like us. I sincerely believe that if you had been born just fifteen years earlier, you wouldn't be so glib.

Information gives you the power to make informed decisions. When I was a teen in the nineties, the only information I had about transsexualism was gleaned from various 20/20 shows, Jerry Springer, and Silence of the Lambs. Needless to say, with those kinds of influences, I though I was an absolute freak. Teenagers today have all the information in the world available to them at the click of a mouse, and because this is all they have never known, many take it for granted. The ability to access information on demand is so very powerful. Late transitioners never had that power, until recently.

I could go on, but I'd end up turning this into some kind of academic sociological treatise (indeed, it would make an interesting topic for one).
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V M

Excellent post Andream... Very relative

If I would have had the information and resources available I definitely would have transitioned at a much younger age and saved myself the headaches and crap I had to deal with for a large portion of my life

I also wish I could do something about my crap car as well  :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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