I've heard from a handful of post-op MTFs that if they could go back in time, they'd skip FFS, saying that the pain and recovery time made FFS seem like a waste.

Thoughts? For those of you who have had FFS, would you still choose to have it or not if you could go back?

I've never had FFS but I have only ever seen ONE person who looked better after it, and that was our own former forum member Cruella - who I am happy to report looks absolutely fabulous after undergoing the procedure recently, in her fifties, mainly as a means of recapturing her youth.

Most people I see do not look appreciably better, some actually look worse.

Given the costs involved I would say that unless you look like the back end of a truck (in which case you have nothing to lose) I think it is probably not worth the candle.

waste of money...i could buy every longboard in the world with what it would cost...hmm, now that's an idea, i could set up a longboard shop. hell yeah, i've now got a goal in life.

I very much disagree with you jenny FFS is one of those procedures that performed right is life changing and more to the point life affirming and needs to be experienced to be believed

To those I have met it changed lives, the yahoo ffs group is full of thousands of these stories.

Not everyone needs it but anyone affected by T knows if done right I will change your life

For me, it was worth it

Quote from: Vanna on April 18, 2011, 02:50:09 PM
I very much disagree with you jenny FFS is one of those procedures that performed right is life changing and more to the point life affirming and needs to be experienced to be believed

To those I have met it changed lives, the yahoo ffs group is full of thousands of these stories.

Not everyone needs it but anyone affected by T knows if done right I will change your life

For me, it was worth it

Well good for you. I, however can only speak from the results that I have actually seen in the flesh and most of them were frankly not as good as I would have wished, or indeed as they probably hoped they were.

By the way my yardstick for any cosmetic procedure is that if I can tell that you have had work, then it hasn't entirely succeeded.

My view is only based on those whom I have seen. I am happy to accept that you may be different, but as I have not seen you I obviously could not comment.

meghans did amazing things for her though i too wonder if she had been patient if the hormones would have achieved the same results as by the time she had the ffs she was very close to her final appearence. see her youtube video faces of meghan and judge for yourself.
jessie
and hi jenny long time no see 

Yes jenny I used the same yardstick, the good for you is slightly patronising btw

Quote from: Vanna on April 18, 2011, 03:06:45 PM
the good for you is slightly patronising btw

Not at all intentionally so I assure you. I don't EVER set out to offend or upset people.

I merely wanted to express my acceptance and genuine pleasure to hear that you had a good result.

Quote from: Helena on April 18, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
waste of money...i could buy every longboard in the world with what it would cost...hmm, now that's an idea, i could set up a longboard shop. hell yeah, i've now got a goal in life.

One day I'll be doing this:

Interesting feedback, folks. Thanks.

The one person I've seen before and after FFS doesn't look all that different to me. Another MTF I've met had FFS, but I never saw her before she transitioned so I don't have before and after memories to compare.

Also keep in mind that not everyone is lucky enough to have a face that feminizes well, even with HRT.  I, for example, have a brow ridge like a Cro-Magnon, and FFS is likely my only option for a feminine face.

Many genetic females have strong chins or unique noses, but I've never seen one with a massive brow ridge.

-Gwen

Quote from: Gwenhyvar on April 18, 2011, 07:23:28 PM
Many genetic females have strong chins or unique noses

You're sort of summing me up right there, more nose than chin tbh lol.

I'll let you know in a couple months

If you check around the internet, you can find plenty of good FFS results. I guess it really depends on how much you get done. If you overdo it you're going to look fake.

I don't think I'd ever have a full FFS treatment, but there are a few things I'd definitely have done:

• brow bossing/reduction
• brow lift
• upper lip lift
• tracheal shave

In my opinion, a tracheal shave is pretty much a must to be passable. Unless you already have a small Adam's apple, which is pretty uncommon.

I don't think it's overrated.  It's really life-changing for someone who feels inadequate with their looks or just has trouble being seen as female.  Some people probably go a little overboard on the plastic surgery, though.  A lot of FFS surgeries are also too expensive for the average person to afford without a LOT of savings.

Judging from the before and after pics some have posted here I don't think I could say it was overrated. If I had the money I would have it done without a second thought, if for no other reason than not to look so much like... I can't bring myself to say it aloud or in print. 

Randi

I don't EVER set out to offend or upset people.

Damn right, that's my job, and I'm brutal on any and all competition.  Pretty much the same way Congress hates people lying to them, because they think that's their job to lie to people.  And FTR, I rarely set out to offend/hurt/upset people, it's just that I don't care if I do.



As for FFS, I think that out of all the HRT/Therapy, both clinical as well as retail/SRS and FFS, it's the most expensive treatment with the smallest real changes, and the highest risk of bad outcomes.  California, and the entire LA/Hollywood deal in particular, has reached a very high level of results, but the bad outcomes, like say Kenny Rodgers are really, really bad and once that's done it really can't be undone, and FFS though more maxifacial (sp?) then dermal, is a kind of plastic work.  It can 'correct' 'obvious flaws' like my ex, who was Jewish and had a nose on her like Jimmy Durante and had it 'corrected' in high school.  But you are messing around with bone, and bone can not be replaced, and does not grow back, hence any problems become real problems.  And so much depends on the basic structure and shape to being with.  As noted, the real changes are minor to most outsiders looking at it, but huge for the person in the mirror.

Quote from: Corey on April 18, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
In my opinion, a tracheal shave is pretty much a must to be passable. Unless you already have a small Adam's apple, which is pretty uncommon.

woohoo I got lucky on something then .  Then I look at my balding head and think grrrrrrrrrrr.  Hair transplant might be necessary in fact  hairline has receded so it's probably on the cards.