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What makes you want to be female?

Started by Cody Jensen, April 19, 2011, 04:56:02 PM

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What makes you want to be female?

what could make me not want to be female?


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Padma

I'm finding it's not that I "want" to be female - it's more that after many years of self-enforced sleep, I'm awakening to simply not understanding why I'm not already one, and needing to do something about that.

For me, it's pretty much all about anatomy - wrong head/body hair, wrong body shape, wrong genitalia. The last 2 months that I've been here on this forum, I've been reading other people's accounts of their experience of dysphoria and not being able to relate much to it until the last couple of weeks. Now since I've fully relaxed away from resisting my lifetime of feelings about all this, my sense of discomfort with my body as it is, and the sense of urgency to have it change, are getting much stronger. It's like waking up in the wrong house.
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Cody Jensen

I guess I was thinking "who in their right mind would want to deal with sexism, periods, and childbrith" I rarely have a day when I enjoy being female now. It also doesn't help that my family is the traditional sexist Italian family type people. I just fixate on being a boy now. There are things I actually do like about being female myself now that I realize, but like I said, if I get the chance to be a boy, I'll take it in a heartbeat. Also just because there's maybe one thing I like about being female, that doesn't mean I'm not transitioning in the future. I look at it as: the very few things I like about being a girl get cancelled out when I look at all my reasons for my desire to be a boy. All this confusion just makes my head hurt :/ But that's what I was thinking when I posted this. So yeah.
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Ashley Allison

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Susan Kay

Josh hon, it's not a matter of who in their right mind would want to deal with ... etc, etc. It's a matter of "what comes with the territory." Of course I'll never have to deal with periods, which would be a loss for the first couple of them, and then I know it would become a monthly bummer to have them. I'll never have to face child birth, and that will be a daily bummer for ever. As for sexism, well, no one in their right mind wants to deal with that. We've just never been able to end it. We just deal with it.

The main situation needing dealing with is sexual assault, outright rape, horrid vicious torture-murder of women and girls for pleasure. Those have always disturbed me, but as a presumptive male, I could afford to not be personally affected by them. As a woman now, it's highly personal. And yes, no one in their right mind would want to deal with that. But it comes with the territory.

Susan Kay
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kyril

The positive sides of being female in modern American culture:
- It's OK to be vulnerable sometimes. You don't always have to put up a facade of imperturbable strength. Nobody will question your womanhood if you say that you're afraid of something, or back down from a fight, or ask for help, or admit that you can't handle something.
- It's OK to show your emotions. Not in every circumstance - you can't break down in tears in the middle of a professional meeting - but in your personal life, you can cry in front of friends, you can vent your anger verbally, you can smile and giggle and squeal.
- It's OK to be passive. You don't have to take the initiative or fight for a leadership role in every circumstance. Nobody thinks that you're weak or unwomanly because you don't actively pursue a romantic relationship and would prefer to be pursued, or because you aren't interested in a leadership role in a group setting, or whatever.
- It's OK to stand out visually. Men (at least young men) can get away with bright colours and patterns in casual settings, but in formal or businesswear we're expected to blend in to the point of almost looking like clones. And even in our casual wear, we're largely restricted to the same 5-10 styles of shirts/pants/shorts in slightly different colours and configurations. Makeup, jewelry, etc. are similarly circumscribed. Women, however, can (and are expected to) look unique and creative. All the time.
- It's OK to like children. People aren't suspicious of a woman who takes an interest in an unrelated child. You won't get the cops called on you for talking to a stray kid in a mall, the way my dad once did (he was trying to get the kid to come with him to the security booth...but that's not what onlookers assumed).
- It's OK to be attracted to men.
- It's OK not to know stuff. You don't have to pretend to be competent at everything from auto mechanics to baseball statistics. (On a related note, it's OK to hate sports.)
- It's OK to be physically affectionate with your friends. People don't assume that your touch must necessarily be either sexual or aggressive.

These, among others, are the things many men - especially gay men - envy about women. Hell, even I envy women sometimes. I did even when I was trying to pretend to be one. I could never fully  take advantage of this stuff because I'd so thoroughly internalized the idea that these things, these perfectly normal human freedoms, were not OK for me because I was a boy. Sometimes I wish I was a girl, and I'm FTM.

But these aren't the reasons trans women transition. They transition because they are women, just like I am a man. They might appreciate some of the extra degrees of emotional and creative freedom that women have, just like I might appreciate some of the extra respect and privileges that come with being seen as male - but I'm not transitioning to access male privilege, and they're not transitioning to access female emotional freedom. Heck, some of them might not even care for it at all.


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Padma

Quote from: kyril on April 20, 2011, 02:00:44 AM...they're not transitioning to access female emotional freedom.

Agreed. And a lot of the trouble I've had in the past has been for "behaving like a woman" whilst driving a man's body, and it's not like I'm expecting people to fully and easily accept me as a woman anyway once I transition.

The point for me is that there isn't anything I want from "being a woman", I'm just supposed to be one and I'm not, and that needs resolving. Women spend their whole lives figuring out how to be women and it's still hard for most of them. It's not like this is in any way whatsoever the easy option, it's just the only sustainable one.
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-CRaSH-

Quote from: Josh T on April 20, 2011, 01:21:40 AM
I guess I was thinking "who in their right mind would want to deal with sexism, periods, and childbrith" I rarely have a day when I enjoy being female now. It also doesn't help that my family is the traditional sexist Italian family type people. I just fixate on being a boy now. There are things I actually do like about being female myself now that I realize, but like I said, if I get the chance to be a boy, I'll take it in a heartbeat. Also just because there's maybe one thing I like about being female, that doesn't mean I'm not transitioning in the future. I look at it as: the very few things I like about being a girl get cancelled out when I look at all my reasons for my desire to be a boy. All this confusion just makes my head hurt :/ But that's what I was thinking when I posted this. So yeah.
What sexism do women suffer from?
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Arctic Kat

#28
QuoteI guess I was thinking "who in their right mind would want to deal with sexism, periods, and childbrith" [...]

There's just this yearning about having a period.
Periods may be physically uncomfortable, but getting the chance to experience one every month I'm sure would give me relief as reassurance I'd be fertile.
In contrast, having male parts doesn't give me any satisfaction... :P

If I were to ever have any children, I would want to be the mother.
There's a longing to have a child develop inside me, to be the one it depends on for nourishment / good health in the womb...
Going through the pain of birthing would be testament to my for love the child.
I would feel security if I could nurse my child, to experience a sort of bonding and closeness that only a mother could feel....

Being a father would not appeal to me. Of course I would be there to help my children, but I get the feeling I would be emotionally distant from them...
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pebbles

Quote from: -CRaSH- on April 20, 2011, 02:17:24 AM
What sexism do women suffer from?
You notice is from time to time when you transition into a woman and begin to pass you are just treated differently.

these days it's not overt and people won't tell you "women can't do X" but it's occasionally assumed or implied until either you aggressively state otherwise (which gives you the impression of begin a bitch) an example would be basically I'm a scientist and I'm very technically minded, yet despite this when something needs fixing these days I'm now called on last... My skills are just as sharp as ever.

Another subtle thing was when I was working "I want to see your manager... get him out here now!" "She... Isn't in right now." presumption that women can't be managers.

And it's also this sensation in certain conversations when tasks are begin delegated where your just subtly implied to be incompetent, or too fragile to endure specific tasks, at uni I needed to climb a tree and the presumption was I wasn't strong enough/skilled enough to do this.

The other thing that's different is the unwanted sexual advances.
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justmeinoz

Like when the CEO of our national airline QANTAS was stopped by a US Customs officer, because he didn't believe a woman could actually be in charge of the world's safest airline!
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Fate

there are laws on equal pay but statiscally:

men get payed more
tall men get paid even more
fat men do not get paided less

women get paid less
tall women do not get paid more
fat women are paid less

less likey to move up to high post as they dont think a women can do it
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justmeinoz

The way my brain grew I guess.  It's a bit like asking someone to explain the colour Red.  You can talk about roses, and light wavelength, but you still can't explain to someone else what it looks like to you personally.
Karen
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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-CRaSH-

You know what.... I could give you statistics, and reason as to how a few of those are false or misconceptions, and how men suffer from more harmful sexism, but I won't. I remember what happened last time when I "derailed" a thread like that. There's a time, and place for everything, and now isn't the time or place.

I'm sorry i asked.
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Catherine

Quote from: Josh T on April 19, 2011, 04:56:02 PM
If this post has already been done sorry. I guess let me know and I'll take it down? I couldn't seem to find any related posts but it probably has been posted before. Anyways, what I want to know is what makes you ladies want to be female? I am a biological female and if given the chance to have been born male or be in a bio male's body I wouldn't hesitate to take it. I hate every little thing about being female. I'm trying to see the good in it but I can't find any. When me and my sister go shopping together (because no one knows I'm trans yet) it's torture for me. I just want male clothes and I want to be myself. My eyes drift off to the male clothing because that's all I want to wear (but I can't because my like I said my family doesn't know so I pretend to be a girl just to make them happy. My dad is a homophobiac as well). So, what is it about being a girl that makes you want to be one?

I dont want to be female.......... I am female.
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Catherine

Quote from: -CRaSH- on April 20, 2011, 02:17:24 AM
What sexism do women suffer from?


Are you serious ???? Men treat us as second class..... is that enough ?
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Corey

lol. Yeah, and the kitchen jokes do get pretty old :P
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-CRaSH-

Quote from: Corey on April 20, 2011, 06:33:21 AM
lol. Yeah, and the kitchen jokes do get pretty old :P
Well i don't do kitchen jokes. But I see nothing wrong with a woman being in the kitchen, and I see nothing wrong with a man being in the kitchen. If your spouse brings home the money, is it so wrong for the stay-at-home parent to cook for him/her?
Quote from: Catherine on April 20, 2011, 06:26:36 AM

Are you serious ???? Men treat us as second class..... is that enough ?
-Sigh-.... Last time I got on this subject, and dispelled the myths the mods got mad at me for derailing a thread. Allthough you guys are incorrect, I will not debate this in this topic. I can't risk the moderation.
I'll tell you this though.

I was given a choice. A choice between a red pill, and a blue pill.

I took the red one, and now I know the truth. The truth is revolting.

Although your posts is contradictory to what goes on in the real world, I will not debate it.

I do not want to get modded.
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Catherine

Quote from: -CRaSH- on April 20, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
Well i don't do kitchen jokes. But I see nothing wrong with a woman being in the kitchen, and I see nothing wrong with a man being in the kitchen. If your spouse brings home the money, is it so wrong for the stay-at-home parent to cook for him/her?-Sigh-.... Last time I got on this subject, and dispelled the myths the mods got mad at me for derailing a thread. Allthough you guys are incorrect, I will not debate this in this topic. I can't risk the moderation.
I'll tell you this though.

I was given a choice. A choice between a red pill, and a blue pill.

I took the red one, and now I know the truth. The truth is revolting.

Although your posts is contradictory to what goes on in the real world, I will not debate it.

I do not want to get modded.

I am afraid you are on the male side of the argument and probably dont see what happens to us girls as sexism. When you are on the receiving end of it then you will know what it is like
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-CRaSH-

Quote from: Catherine on April 20, 2011, 06:48:48 AM
I am afraid you are on the male side of the argument and probably dont see what happens to us girls as sexism. When you are on the receiving end of it then you will know what it is like
.......I don't know if I should respond or not... You seem to want to press this issue, yet I asked you nicely to stop. Why do you persist?
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