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A couple words that tick me off.

Started by Vince1995, May 07, 2011, 11:34:23 PM

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Vince1995

Hearing these words being used to describe people, tick me off and get me annoyed.
I tend to correct said people.

Hermaphrodite.
->-bleeped-<-.

I don't know why, they just seem fairly derogatory to me.
I correct people to Transgender or Transexual and also Intersex.

Do these words bug anyone else like it bugs me, and are there any other words that bug you?
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Sharky

I knew not to use hermaphrodite,  but I didn't know ->-bleeped-<- was bad too. Words like that don't really bother me, but if someone purposely used the wrong pronouns it would.
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Nygeel

->-bleeped-<- bothers me when it's referring to people who don't identify as ->-bleeped-<-s. Self identifying with any word is alright but using it to cover a group of people isn't.

I get bothered when people use the word penis to describe a trans woman's genitals, and/or vagina to describe a trans man's.
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Lee

To me, ->-bleeped-<- refers to a very specific group of self-identifying individuals, and hermaphrodite refers to animals that have both full sets of reproductive organs.  Neither of which would be an appropriate way of describing most transgendered people.
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Vince1995

Yeah, that is basically what I mean.
Nygeel, that's what I mean. When people call everyone who is Transexual or Transgendered a ->-bleeped-<-. If people self-identify as that, its no big deal. I respect what they wish to be called.
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Padma

Aye, "->-bleeped-<-" literally just means "cross-dresser/dressing" and so refers only to clothing choices, and has nothing to do with either sexuality or gender.

"Transsexual" seems to be a more common term in the US than over here in the UK - I prefer "transgender" since it's a gender rather than a sexual issue that's being referred to.
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Vince1995

Quote from: Padma on May 08, 2011, 01:56:27 AM
Aye, "->-bleeped-<-" literally just means "cross-dresser/dressing" and so refers only to clothing choices, and has nothing to do with either sexuality or gender.

To other people it does, and it just bugs me. Especially when they call Transgenders and Transexuals that. Ah well.
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MaxAloysius

I hate when we're referred to as 'transgenders', like rather than saying 'transgender people are etc' they say 'transgenders are etc'. I dunno why, but I hate it.

I also seriously loath the terms '->-bleeped-<-' and 'trap'. Makes me want to punch anyone who says either.
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Devin87

Quote from: MaxAloysius on May 08, 2011, 05:26:23 AM
I hate when we're referred to as 'transgenders', like rather than saying 'transgender people are etc' they say 'transgenders are etc'. I dunno why, but I hate it.

That's the idea behind the "people first" initiative.  We learned about it in my special education class in college.  It's not proper any more to say things like "autistic people".  You're supposed to say "people with autisism" and put the people before the disorder.  Since GID is technically a disorder, it seems like it should fit into this initiative.
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Brendon

Personally, I don't like the word transgendered. I don't mind if people use it to describe themselves, but I'd prefer it if people would just use the word transgender when referring to me.
I also don't like it when people use the terms bio guys and bio girls as the opposite of trans guys and trans girls. It makes me wonder if they think I'm not biological or I'm not a guy? lol 
I don't like having the word 'passing' used to describe me either. I prefer 'being read as male' or 'being read correctly'.
(Suffice it to say, several words and terms annoy me. I'm going to stop here for now.  ::))


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Adio

I don't like either of those terms.  But because I don't identify with either one, I'm not sure whether to correct others or not.  I tend to use intersex and cross-dresser.

I agree with Devin on the "people first" wording.  I learned to use that in my writing-intensive class.  I try to use it when I write, but I don't always use it due to habit when I speak.  I also agree with Brendon; I don't like the word "transgendered" either.  It reminds me of other "-ed" words like "colored" instead of using "people of color."

"Passing" does sometimes bother me, but it's much easier to type/say than "being read as male/correctly."  I sometimes use "presenting as male."

This isn't a term that used, but I always notice it when someone who identifies as male says "other girls."  It took me a long time to break that habit.  To me, it sounds like the person saying it includes themselves as a girl in the situation.  Why are they the "other" girls?  Wouldn't it just be "the girls"?  And for guys, it would be the "other guys" (including the speaker as one of the guys in the situation).
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Mika

"->-bleeped-<-" is most predominately used in sociology literature [read: cissexual scientists] to refer to cross-dressing as a fetish. People can identify with whatever terms they want, but personally I find it offensive as well. My gender expression isn't a fetish.
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Vince1995

Lmfao, Mikah. Its not mine either. I like what all of you are saying. Good points everyone has.
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Tad

meh - transvestism is on the scales of gender variance right on the same scale as transexuals. It's in the medical books. I'm not bothered by it. It's a legit group of people, and it doesn't bother me when people call transexuals ->-bleeped-<-s - because that's perhaps all they have had exposure to.
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N.Chaos

The only term that offends me is "she".
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Mr.Rainey

Feminine pads pisses me the ->-bleeped-<- off. How about masculine pads for us men who manstrate? and stop putting so much pink and flowers on the box dammit. This conditon is degrading as it is.

She/her ect. only piss me off when directed at me. When I don't know the person its great to ignore them and when they say it louder look at them puzzled.

Passing annoys me because it sounds like I am a counterfit. I am not a couterfit man I am a real man. Just because there is some assembly required does not mean I am not the real thing.

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N.Chaos

Quote from: Mr.Rainey on May 09, 2011, 04:26:04 AM
Just because there is some assembly required does not mean I am not the real thing.

I like that, a lot.
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PiperEden

I have a lot of issue with those words as well! In fact recently, in my college Biology class my teacher continued to refer to intersex people as "hermaphrodites" even after I politely corrected her. It drove me up the wall, because she was TEACHING which implied she knew what she was talking about.. ;/

The discussion was over whether or not parents should "choose" the sex of an intersex infant. I was disagreeing, saying that there is a huge chance for error in the choice of the parent and the child should make the choice when they feel what gender they are.. It was very frustrating to me. The class was just confused in general, one teen said he'd have wanted his parents to choose so he wouldn't have to have the difficulty of doing it when he was older..  :icon_rolleyes2:

I don't like the term ->-bleeped-<-, because it's used more frequently to describe a crossdressing fetish, so if used in discussing transsexuals/trangendered people it becomes problematic.
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Heath

Like N. Chaos, the number 1 terms that pisses me off is "she."  Every time someone calls me that, I seriously hear nails on the chalkboard in my mind and I end up grimacing.

However, "->-bleeped-<-" is another one I've been encountering somewhat frequently these days - I dunno why.  But I wish people would learn the difference between cross-dressing and being a person with transsexualism or ->-bleeped-<-.    Haven't heard "hermaphrodite" in a long time...the last time I did it was just a friend of mine and I talking a few months ago about the ancient Greek god/dess Hermaphroditus.

"Passing" for me implies that I'm "failing" otherwise, and since I don't like failing "tests" I do not like the word, but I still use it.  Yes, I'm weird.
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Gabby

Heath avatar alert! you look like a harder version of Robert Patterson lol.
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