The current military code does not allows transsexuals to serve.Go ahead and register, if they ever call you, just tell them you are transsexual, and off you are.

For the most part, governments are just pomp and circumstance.  It costs more money to try to force people to sign up than the benefit they get from it (even if the draft were implemented).  Most likely, nothing will happen to you if you don't register.  I don't know of anyone who has actually been fined/jailed for violating these types of government mandates.  I don't even know of anyone who has even been contacted or notified by the government after violating such mandates.

And for all you ftm's who change your gender before age 25 I believe you have to register as well .... but as said before you will be found medically unfit to serve if drafted

I got the same notice to register when I turned 18. I didn't register because I was in my rebel without a cause, I hate my life, I'm so confused phase...It is now 10 years later, I am currently paying off Federal School loans, I worked on an air force base as a civilian, I just got my Tax return In the mail. I would think if they were going to try and deny me something because I didn't register, they would have done so by now. But as everyone else pointed out, had I realized it then I would have just registered, they are not going to be calling for a draft anytime soon. Just my two cents!

<3 Teagan

All Americans these days are actually 14th Amendment Citizens, this is NOT the same as being an American citizen.    Never, ever agree verbally, by behaviour or in writing that you are a United States Citizen.  Stating that you are a United States Citizen gives the Federal government jurisdiction over you, and they can do what they like with you.   You should always maintain that you are an American Citizen, never let anyone tell you that United States Citizen and American Citizen are just slightly different ways of saying the same thing: they aren't.

All the Western countries are officially bankrupt.  America become officially bankrupt in March 1933 and since then the Federal government has run the country under Chapter 11 Bankruptcy; debtors in possession.   There are in reality only three groups operating in society these days.  (1) Employees, ALL persons aged between 18-65 are employees of the government regardless if they work directly for the government or not.   The government works like an employment agency.  They lend out their employees to businesses etc and take a cut of each of their employees salary as part of the employment agency fees.   They own you and they charge businesses a fee for the use of their property.  (2) The second groups are called 'Agents', these are persons involved with law, law enforcement, and everyone who is directly employed by the government.  This group's major function is to create, and gather revenue for the state.   Police officers are no longer 'Peace officers' they have become 'Policy enforcement officers'.  Courts are actively trading as businesses. (3) The third groups consists of 'Wards of State', these Wards include children, the retired, prisoners, and the unemployed.

Ideally you should renounce your government issued passport, driving license and any and all other government issued documentation and paperwork.   Possession of ANYTHING that can tie you to the government e.g. social security or any Federal benefit means that you are not free from their jurisdiction and they still have full legal power over you.   Beware of creating and/or maintaining anything that could create an 'Adhesion contract' between you and the government.   

This all boils down to one thing: You ask absolutely nothing from the government and they ask absolutely nothing from you.   They can't ask you to join their military and you can't ask them for any government 'benefits', i.e. social security, Medicare, unemployment benefit, Veterans' benefits, etc or ask they to pay your college, university tuition fees or give you a maintenance loan.    Do you know the difference
between 'Legal' and 'Lawful'?

I can't believe that this is still in existence.
Australia has only had conscription for limited periods.  Attempting to introduce it during WW1 nearly brought down the Govt, during WW2 only once the Japanese became involved, and then from the Korean War through to 1972. The latter took the form of a ballot, depending on birth date, so not everyone was called up either.

If you don't want to go, there is no way short of a real major national emergency that anyone is going to be drafted. Repeal of don't ask - don't tell is not going to change within your draft-eligible lifetime your draftability if you declare GID. I was drafted in 1968, the worst year in fifty years to be drafted; I mean they were grabbing up draftees into the marines. I had bad feet, we had partied for 36 hours prior to my reporting for examination elevating my blood pressure, and I said I was gay. Surprise!!! I was rejected. What a let down! Not!

I suggest signing up as required, and that will be the last you hear about it. And after all, it is the law. For males. For now.

Susan Kay

Am I missing something - everyone else seems to have thumbs up/thimbs down markers on their screens (not that I'm seeking criticism, just wondered why.)

Quote from: spacial on May 14, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
In all honesty, if some foreign state took over control of Washington DC, <snip>

It would probably be an improvement considering who's in the district of criminals now...

One of the quickest ways to end your military service, under DADT, is to say, "I'm gay!"  And all the discussions had in working to overturn DADT never once included transgender people.  So if you're trans and you say so, should the draft ever be reinstated, just say so and I'm sure they will be happy to show you the door.  Just don't show up dressed like Corporal Klinger.

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 14, 2011, 10:55:40 PM
All Americans these days are actually 14th Amendment Citizens, this is NOT the same as being an American citizen.    Never, ever agree verbally, by behaviour or in writing that you are a United States Citizen.  Stating that you are a United States Citizen gives the Federal government jurisdiction over you, and they can do what they like with you.   You should always maintain that you are an American Citizen, never let anyone tell you that United States Citizen and American Citizen are just slightly different ways of saying the same thing: they aren't.

All the Western countries are officially bankrupt.  America become officially bankrupt in March 1933 and since then the Federal government has run the country under Chapter 11 Bankruptcy; debtors in possession.   There are in reality only three groups operating in society these days.  (1) Employees, ALL persons aged between 18-65 are employees of the government regardless if they work directly for the government or not.   The government works like an employment agency.  They lend out their employees to businesses etc and take a cut of each of their employees salary as part of the employment agency fees.   They own you and they charge businesses a fee for the use of their property.  (2) The second groups are called 'Agents', these are persons involved with law, law enforcement, and everyone who is directly employed by the government.  This group's major function is to create, and gather revenue for the state.   Police officers are no longer 'Peace officers' they have become 'Policy enforcement officers'.  Courts are actively trading as businesses. (3) The third groups consists of 'Wards of State', these Wards include children, the retired, prisoners, and the unemployed.

Ideally you should renounce your government issued passport, driving license and any and all other government issued documentation and paperwork.   Possession of ANYTHING that can tie you to the government e.g. social security or any Federal benefit means that you are not free from their jurisdiction and they still have full legal power over you.   Beware of creating and/or maintaining anything that could create an 'Adhesion contract' between you and the government.   

This all boils down to one thing: You ask absolutely nothing from the government and they ask absolutely nothing from you.   They can't ask you to join their military and you can't ask them for any government 'benefits', i.e. social security, Medicare, unemployment benefit, Veterans' benefits, etc or ask they to pay your college, university tuition fees or give you a maintenance loan.    Do you know the difference
between 'Legal' and 'Lawful'?

There is no country "America" thus there could not be an "American Citizen," My country is the USA and with all its shortcoming it is my country and the best of the world in all aspects. I am at the service of my country in a mission from G-d, if I die carrying my duties, so be it. Any day is a good day to die for your country.

Kate D

Quote from: kate durcal on May 15, 2011, 06:49:39 AM
There is no country "America" thus there could not be an "American Citizen," My country is the USA and with all its shortcoming it is my country and the best of the world in all aspects. I am at the service of my country in a mission from G-d, if I die carrying my duties, so be it. Any day is a good day to die for your country.

Kate D

Wow. I can't tell whether you're serious, or if this is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. I certainly hope it's the latter. Of course, if this is the way you really feel, then you're the perfect candidate for military service.

Personally, I think whether it's a good day to die for my country or not depends on what they're asking me to die for.

I put myself into that wonderful draft ages ago and nothing has ever come of it.  It would take a real war for something like that to even appear again and even then it would just be a last resort.  So that really is not a worry.  Also has others have said if it comes down to it?  You can use the trans defense and skip over the whole thing quite easy.

After all I know there is no chance in hell of me dying for a country that does little/nothing in my defense as a member of the transgender community.

Quote from: VeronikaFTH on May 15, 2011, 08:25:19 AM
Wow. I can't tell whether you're serious, or if this is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. I certainly hope it's the latter. Of course, if this is the way you really feel, then you're the perfect candidate for military service.

Personally, I think whether it's a good day to die for my country or not depends on what they're asking me to die for.

The oath you take when you sign is to defend the constitution of the USA. When you sign with the Armed Forces you go under a different law system. You have to obey all legal orders given to you. Some of those orders send you in harms way. What most guys die for is in reality for their bodies and or the mission at hand. Of course you can refuse to do so which can lead you to a dishonorable discharge, jail time, and when deserting in the face of the enemy the punishment could be death.

After the fiasco of the Vietnam era draft, service in the forces is voluntary, good thing for moral and for competence. The current registration is used in case of an extreme situation, as posted previously by Susan Kay. I would urge all young men not to break and do register.

In a personal note, I was deadly serious. We are what we as products of our families history and our own experiences. My Mom relatives were murdered by Nazis, my Dad family chased and murdered out of the old country by fascist, just to land in another country which later on get embroiled in another asymmetric war. My uncle machined gunned in an street because of his political writing and view, then comes the guerrilla war. Kidnapping, home invasion, murder, war. Like I said before, I have a bullet hole and night mares to prove to myself that I did not dream all of that s... Lucky me, later on the good G-d send me to the USA who kindly adopt me as a daughter. I was gifted by G-d, and have earned all my degrees and skill. years ago I sign and I did take the oath, and no I am not in uniform, but in some services that means nothing if you catch my drift- So yes, any day is a good day to die for my country. I said that because some of my ancestors did not fight and was corralled in to train wagons like cattle to the slaughter house. You have to fight for what you belie, and I do believe in the constitution of the USA and USA.

Quote from: kate durcal on May 15, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
The oath you take when you sign is to defend the constitution of the USA. When you sign with the Armed Forces you go under a different law system. You have to obey all legal orders given to you. Some of those orders send you in harms way. What most guys die for is in reality for their bodies and or the mission at hand. Of course you can refuse to do so which can lead you to a dishonorable discharge, jail time, and when deserting in the face of the enemy the punishment could be death.

After the fiasco of the Vietnam era draft, service in the forces is voluntary, good thing for moral and for competence. The current registration is used in case of an extreme situation, as posted previously by Susan Kay. I would urge all young men not to break and do register.

In a personal note, I was deadly serious. We are what we as products of our families history and our own experiences. My Mom relatives were murdered by Nazis, my Dad family chased and murdered out of the old country by fascist, just to land in another country which later on get embroiled in another asymmetric war. My uncle machined gunned in an street because of his political writing and view, then comes the guerrilla war. Kidnapping, home invasion, murder, war. Like I said before, I have a bullet hole and night mares to prove to myself that I did not dream all of that s... Lucky me, later on the good G-d send me to the USA who kindly adopt me as a daughter. I was gifted by G-d, and have earned all my degrees and skill. years ago I sign and I did take the oath, and no I am not in uniform, but in some services that means nothing if you catch my drift- So yes, any day is a good day to die for my country. I said that because some of my ancestors did not fight and was corralled in to train wagons like cattle to the slaughter house. You have to fight for what you belie, and I do believe in the constitution of the USA and USA.

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't believe in blind patriotism. I was born in the US, I've lived here my whole life, but whenever I see this kind of "God Bless the USA" rhetoric it really touches a nerve with me.

I would like to point out that blind patriotism like that ran rampant through Nazi Germany, and possibly played a part in the horrible killings of some your ancestors and relatives. Blindly following orders was the excuse all those soldiers gave for the atrocities they committed.

Nobody is perfect, no country is perfect. I'm glad you like the USA, and that you have done well here... But blindly defending this country is a bit narrow-minded IMO.

Quote from: Teagan E. on May 14, 2011, 10:48:09 PM
I got the same notice to register when I turned 18. I didn't register because I was in my rebel without a cause, I hate my life, I'm so confused phase...It is now 10 years later, I am currently paying off Federal School loans, I worked on an air force base as a civilian, I just got my Tax return In the mail.

I don't think it makes a difference to tax returns, but I'm wondering if you slipped through the cracks on the loans and the job? (I know, seems an unlikely coincidence.) I got a gigantic hassle over job training because I hadn't registered (even though I had an exemption letter), and the second time I was at the center, one of the gals was right there in the waiting room, giving the third degree to a middle-aged guy about his never having registered. He apparently had no good reason and no exemption letter from the SSS. They gave him the boot right then and there.

I was thinking, "I'm glad I got my letter," but then they gave me a hassle, too. In private and over the phone. So much of a hassle that I decided it wasn't worth it to out myself to them.

Sign up for the draft.  It will take an act of war declared by congress that is only intersted in lining their pockets and throwing the rest of us breadcrumbs (another story and time).  By then you can get your name and gender legally changed.  Would that not preclude one from being drafted.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 14, 2011, 10:55:40 PMThere are in reality only three groups operating in society these days.  (1) Employees, ALL persons aged between 18-65 are employees of the government regardless if they work directly for the government or not.   The government works like an employment agency.  They lend out their employees to businesses etc and take a cut of each of their employees salary as part of the employment agency fees.   They own you and they charge businesses a fee for the use of their property.  (2) The second groups are called 'Agents', these are persons involved with law, law enforcement, and everyone who is directly employed by the government.  This group's major function is to create, and gather revenue for the state.   Police officers are no longer 'Peace officers' they have become 'Policy enforcement officers'.  Courts are actively trading as businesses.

You remind me of this guy:

Quote from: Stefan MolyneuxWhen you look at a map of the world, you are not looking at countries, but farms.

You are allowed certain liberties - limited property ownership, movement rights, freedom of association and occupation - not because your government approves of these rights in principle - since it constantly violates them - but rather because "free range livestock" is so much cheaper to own and so more productive.

It is important to understand the reality of ideologies.

State capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism, democracy - these are all livestock management approaches.

Some work well for long periods - state capitalism - and some work very badly - communism.

They all fail eventually, because it is immoral and irrational to treat human beings as livestock.

The recent growth of "freedom" in China, India and Asia is occurring because the local state farmers have upgraded their livestock management practices. They have recognized that putting the cows in a larger stall provides the rulers more milk and meat.

Rulers have also recognized that if they prevent you from fleeing the farm, you will become depressed, inert and unproductive. A serf is the most productive when he imagines he is free. Thus your rulers must provide you the illusion of freedom in order to harvest you most effectively.

Thus you are "allowed" to leave - but never to real freedom, only to another farm, because the whole world is a farm. They will prevent you from taking a lot of money, they will bury you in endless paperwork, they will restrict your right to work -- but you are "free" to leave. Due to these difficulties, very few people do leave, but the illusion of mobility is maintained. If only 1 out of 1,000 cows escapes, but the illusion of escaping significantly raises the productivity of the remaining 999, it remains a net gain for the farmer.

You are also kept on the farm through licensing. The most productive livestock are the professionals, so the rulers fit them with an electronic dog collar called a "license," which only allows them to practice their trade on their own farm.

To further create the illusion of freedom, in certain farms, the livestock are allowed to choose between a few farmers that the investors present. At best, they are given minor choices in how they are managed. They are never given the choice to shut down the farm, and be truly free.

Government schools are indoctrination pens for livestock. They train children to "love" the farm, and to fear true freedom and independence, and to attack anyone who questions the brutal reality of human ownership. Furthermore, they create jobs for the intellectuals that state propaganda so relies on.

The ridiculous contradictions of statism -- like religion -- can only be sustained through endless propaganda inflicted upon helpless children.

The idea that democracy and some sort of "social contract" justifies the brutal exercise of violent power over billions is patently ridiculous.

Is that it? That is the best you or him can offer? An analogy to farms, and pseudo intellectual childless view of the world; it remind me of the pot-head psychology of the sixties

Quote from: kate durcal on May 15, 2011, 05:46:43 PM
Is that it? That is the best you or him can offer? An analogy to farms, and pseudo intellectual childless view of the world

So, you are arguing that it is perfectly justified for men in costume (police and other government agencies) to forcibly take my property away from me (through taxes) to pay for activities that I disagree with?

You may call it pseudo intellectual, but I call it slavery.  And so does Stefan Molyneux.  That's why I never signed up for selective service.  Nobody is going to threaten me (also known as "terrorism") to force me to do something that I don't want to do.

So, you are arguing that it is perfectly justified for men in costume (police and other government agencies) to forcibly take my property away from me (through taxes) to pay for activities that I disagree with?

Why yes.  Since you have the option to leave at any time, you choose to enter into a social contract by remaining.  No one in society ever gets everything they want - something they should have learned in that thing called 'a family' - but we agree to some form (for us, majority) of decision criteria. Your staying is both an active as well as a tacit acknowledgement of that.