Quote from: tekla on May 15, 2011, 10:55:54 PMSince you have the option to leave at any time, you choose to enter into a social contract by remaining.

I choose nothing.  I stay on this land because I can.  I have no obligation to social contract.  If they believe I do not have the right to choose my location of residence without agreeing to social contract, they are free to try to remove me.

The idea that my choosing to set up home in the environment of my choice somehow obligates me to follow arbitrary social rules is absolutely ludicrous.

Quote from: cynthialee on May 14, 2011, 11:13:48 AM
But face it that is not likely to happen in this puritanical society.

Relax. Fill out the selective service form and send it in. You will be ok.

First, I agree 100% about registering.  You lose out on a lot of things if they decide you're male and but not registered.  It's not worth it, particularly for someone who would just be wasting the military's time if they ever called you up (they'd probably ask you to verify that you really have GID and aren't just faking it to get out, but that would likely be a very short conversation before you could go back on with your life).

As for puritanical government, weren't the puritans the ones who did bundling?    (that's the practice of allowing the unmarried couple sleep together in one bed in the parent's house, so that at least they would know who the father was and he couldn't easily deny it!  It was practiced by some puritans in rural areas)

hhhmmmm souonds like a great idea for some entertainment!!! Once i get better I am going to go down to the army recruiting center and tell them that I want to join the ARMY, and just see the changes they go through!!! lol! Better yet, I think ill go and try to join the Marines, that might be even more entertaining!!! lol

VeryGnawty,   I am afraid that Tekla is correct.   When you accepted your Social Security number you entered into a contract with the Federal government and VOLUNTARILY agreed to be bound by them and their statutes and regulations etc.   
The Federal government was only seeking to contract with you when it informed you of your SS number.  You could have rejected that number and thus refused to contract with the government.   However, you and millions like you were under the false belief that you had to possess a SS number to be able to work: you don't!    The government tricks you into contracting with them, then if you make a fuss about this, the government likes to turn around and state that you voluntarily entered into a contract with them, and here is the thing you DID voluntarily enter in a contract with them.   They will say that nobody forced you to accept the SS No that THEY issued you.  You were free to reject the offer to contract.*   Forced contracting is illegal, nobody can force you to contract with them.  What the government does  is it makes you a contract offer(in the guise of accepting an SS number) you don't realise that this is an offer to contract and you believe that you need said number to work legally so you do nothing.  You don't reject the SS number within the legally approved period of time and the government then claims that you have agreed to the contract by tacit acquiescence.
  Many people seem to believe that if you don't sign anything then you haven't entered into a contract.   However, contracts can be assumed to exist between parties if you verbally agree(in front of of people who could be called as witnesses) and by behaviour.
  When your credit card company sends you a letter stating that they are going to be increasing the interest rate on your card, or increasing your credit limit, or the minimum amount that you must repay each month.  Many people just throw this letter in the bin.  To change the terms & conditions between contracting parties, the party that wishes to make the changes must 'notice' the other party(ies).   That 'letter' from the CC company was actually a notice. you have been noticed.   If you do nothing about this notice them you will be judged (in court) to have voluntarily agreed to the new contract and there will be nothing you can do about it afterwards.   Of course in the case of a CC company you can either pay off the balance owed or switch your balance to another CC company of your choice.


You can renounce your current 14th Amendment status by issuing a Notice of Understanding and Intent and a Claim of Right.**   This document should state - with a great deal else - that your contract with the government created by your birth certificate and further strengthened by your accepting of their SS number is void ab initio due to their failure to fully disclose.

Anyone interested in learning much more about all this should google: Rob:Menard, fmotl, Freeman on the Land.   Look up and watch on YouTube and Google Videos Rob:Menard's two excellent films: Bursting the Bubbles of Government Deception, and The Magnificent Deception.



* There is an old maxim in law which states: Let he who would be deceived be deceived.   In other words if some other party takes advantage of your ignorance of the law then the law will do nothing about it.   The law takes the view that everyone knows the law so no one can claim ignorance when it comes to legal dealings.   This knowledge of the law that Judges assume was true when there where only four laws: (1) Do not physically harm anyone.  (2) Do not steal from or deprive anyone of their property.  (3) Do not damage anyone's property.  (4) Do not employ mischief(fraud) in your contracts.   Today there are millions or laws, statutes, Acts, by-laws, ordinances etc so ignorance of the law today is commonplace.   Always remember that the government is a predatory corporation that seeks at all times to wring, money, property and other assets from the public.  The government makes the Mafia look like rank, bungling, ineffectual amateurs. The government is running one huge protection racket and Ponzi scheme.

** Must be notarised by a Notary.

I did not read the whole topic (concentration level is pretty low at the moment), but did I hear, uh, read well? Are the US forcing you to subscribe to the military in case they need you? And BECAUSE you're male on top of that? I honestly hope I am mistaken. This would be unfair, against the ethics and sexist. I know it's bad to ask about things that have already been discussed, but I'm having trouble reading much text right now.

It's not just SS# and the US.  It's all governments and societies and civilizations through all time as best as we can ascertain.  It's nothing new, it's the fricking Code of Hammurabi.  (1700 BCE, and that's not even the oldest, its just the oldest we have in complete written form.)  There has never been this 'perfectly free' society where you as a single entity are the only controlling force in the universe.  It's always been a matter of give and take, survival odds are much better in a society than in a state of nature.  But if you want to live there on Ron Paul Island in the Land Of Rand, be my guest.  Many deluded people are in jail because they somehow came up with the nonsense that if they just think the Federal (or local, or state) Government doesn't have any power over them then the government is powerless to act.  It never was that way.

Quote from: tekla on May 16, 2011, 06:00:17 PM
It's not just SS# and the US.  It's all governments and societies and civilizations through all time as best as we can ascertain.  It's nothing new, it's the fricking Code of Hammurabi.  (1700 BCE, and that's not even the oldest, its just the oldest we have in complete written form.)  There has never been this 'perfectly free' society where you as a single entity are the only controlling force in the universe.  It's always been a matter of give and take, survival odds are much better in a society than in a state of nature.  But if you want to live there on Ron Paul Island in the Land Of Rand, be my guest.  Many deluded people are in jail because they somehow came up with the nonsense that if they just think the Federal (or local, or state) Government doesn't have any power over them then the government is powerless to act.  It never was that way.

I agree that it is not just America that does this it happens in all countries, the western countries especially as they are all bankrupt.   When you were born your parents registered your birth.   By doing so they unknowingly legally abandoned you and the government then stepped in an claimed you as 'salvage'.   When you register anything you legally transfer legal title to whomever accepts the registration.  The government accepted your registration and thus has legal title (full and complete ownership) to you.*   Your parents had equitable title -or use title - until your were 18.  You have only use title over your own body.  The government literally owns you.  It is the same when you register your car, you give over legal title(full ownership) to the government when they accept the registration.  The government now owns your car, they let you drive it, and pay for all the petrol, and all the maintenance, but be assured you are not the owner, you are the registered keeper.** That is why they can impound your car and crush it, and why you are liable to traffic fines because they own 'your' car and they fine you when they don't like how you are treating their property.
Getting back to birth registration, because the government owns your child or children they can and will take them from you - their babysitters, and primary caregivers - if they don't like what you are telling your children.  Remember the real reason for the Waco Siege?  The government didn't like what Koresh was telling their property.  Koresh was telling them social, religious and political truths that the government didn't want their property to know about.  So they sent in the 'agents' to put a stop to this and then spun the media a tale that Koresh was a highly dangerous religious fanatic who was planning something and he was an evil Svengali figure with complete power over the women and children in his compound.

I realise how all this must read and sound.  It seems pure tin-foil hat stuff but I assure you it is all true.  Devour anything by Rob:Menard, and Jordan Maxwell.   Mary Elizabeth:Croft and Irene:Gravenhorst.




*  That is why they can demand that your child be vaccinated and why they can make vaccinations mandatory: they own your body.  When you own something you can treat in whatever way you like.

** Look this up in your vehicle documentation.   Also google Jordan Maxwell.

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 16, 2011, 06:31:36 PM

I agree that it is not just America that does this it happens in all countries, the western countries especially as they are all bankrupt.   When you were born your parents registered your birth.   By doing so they unknowingly legally abandoned you and the government then stepped in an claimed you as 'salvage'.   When you register anything you legally transfer legal title to whomever accepts the registration.  The government accepted your registration and thus has legal title (full and complete ownership) to you.*   Your parents had equitable title -or use title - until your were 18.  You have only use title over your own body.  The government literally owns you.  It is the same when you register your car, you give over legal title(full ownership) to the government when they accept the registration.  The government now owns your car, they let you drive it, and pay for all the petrol, and all the maintenance, but be assured you are not the owner, you are the registered keeper.** That is why they can impound your car and crush it, and why you are liable to traffic fines because they own 'your' car and they fine you when they don't like how you are treating their property.
Getting back to birth registration, because the government owns your child or children they can and will take them from you - their babysitters, and primary caregivers - if they don't like what you are telling your children.  Remember the real reason for the Waco Siege?  The government didn't like what Koresh was telling their property.  Koresh was telling them social, religious and political truths that the government didn't want their property to know about.  So they sent in the 'agents' to put a stop to this and then spun the media a tale that Koresh was a highly dangerous religious fanatic who was planning something and he was an evil Svengali figure with complete power over the women and children in his compound.

I realise how all this must read and sound.  It seems pure tin-foil hat stuff but I assure you it is all true.  Devour anything by Rob:Menard, and Jordan Maxwell.   Mary Elizabeth:Croft and Irene:Gravenhorst.




*  That is why they can demand that your child be vaccinated and why they can make vaccinations mandatory: they own your body.  When you own something you can treat in whatever way you like.

** Look this up in your vehicle documentation.   Also google Jordan Maxwell.

im sorry, but thats whacked!

So unhappy and unsatisfied with the western countries, and knowing you cannot change such a fundamental operating systems, then you are welcome to go to the workers paradise of China, Vietnam, or Cuba, or for more freedom there are couple of very free African kingdoms, better yet go to an Arab country and claim your virgins, other options exists

Some of the discussion on this thread seems similar to the Sovereign Citizens movement.  I'd suggest reading the materials at some of the anti-hate organizations (ADL, SPLC).

As for renouncing US citizenship, the US State Department does not recognize any renouncement of citizenship (or variation that would exempt you from some laws, such as some state or local laws, including the draft) that occurs while you are on US soil.  You might or might not be right, but the legal system won't recognize you as anything but a US citizen (which they see as 100% Equivilent to "American Citizen").  There's lots of people in jail because they thought they didn't have to pay income tax (being a sovereign or "American" citizen was cited by many)...  Maybe the government is wrong - but you'll lose fighting them.

I'd advise anyone that believes they may have special status (other than citizenship) under the 14th amendment to talk to a lawyer one-on-one (make sure they are certified to actually practice law in your jurisdiction, not just had a legal degree or worked one time as a lawyer).

As for having a social security number, you do need to have one to work, get almost any benefits, be claimed as a dependent, receive money through nearly any source, do most banking, etc.  But it doesn't make your responsibilities more or less than if you didn't have one.  You don't get the choice to accept US citizenship in the US.  You have it if you are born here and don't renounce it (properly, by going to another country and doing it there) or have a situation such as dual-citizenship as as minor (there are some ways to lose citizenship there).  But otherwise, whether you agree with the government or not, you're bound by their rules.  Your consent is not legally required.

Quote from: superkitty036 on May 16, 2011, 07:14:48 PM
im sorry, but thats whacked!

Hey Kitty,

Good to see you! I thought with your grade 3 glioblasotma you were a goner.How was the surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation? How much they took? where it was located? You have to fill us girl! Sorry if I am hijacking the thread but it is sure good to see you. Perhaps you can start a new thread on your progress

Kate D

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 16, 2011, 05:17:48 PM
VeryGnawty,   I am afraid that Tekla is correct.   When you accepted your Social Security number you entered into a contract with the Federal government and VOLUNTARILY agreed to be bound by them and their statutes and regulations etc.

Not all of these regulations were properly explained from the outset.  Therefore, I declare my contract with the federal government (and any related organizations) void as laid out in the instructions of VeryGnawty's Manual of Full Disclosure v2.0

VeryGnawty's Manual of Full Disclosure v2.0 takes precedence over all other documents.  It says so in the first line of the manual.  And I quote, "All other parties previously or heretofore to be mentioned or not by this document agree to the guidelines of this document under the condition that they ever have, have sought, or engaged in any form of communication be it verbal or nonverbal with the entity known as VeryGnawty."

Line 2:  Ignorance of, or failure to aknowledge, Manual of Full Disclosure does not exempt one from the guidelines of Manual of Full Disclosure.

So you see, the fact that the government even wanted a contract with me to begin with is proof enough that they have already violated a contract that they already had with me as laid out by VeryGnawty's Manual of Full Disclosure.

I have only hinted at how you can become a Freeman-on-the-land *because what I have presented thus far is mind-blowing and it is foolish to introduce too much information too early.   People will almost instinctively want to reject this information as it undermines everything that the government has filled your heads with since first grade, and what your parents, other loved ones and the media have told you your entire life.   What you should do is mull over all the information so far presented and let all the doubts, all the disbelief, all the 'no the government is not like that really' and 'this is like something from those Matrix films' come to the surface.  You can run away from this all you want but sooner or later everything will click into place in your mind.   One day the realisation 'oh my God it is really is true' will pop into your head.   Suddenly everything about politics, government, banking and finance will make sense.   You will be able to predict future political and social events to the astonishment of your friends and family because you now know how society works, and the true motivations of the politicians and business elite.

* Freeman-on-the-land is non gender specific so we don't need to be afraid of this title.

Quote from: Corey on May 14, 2011, 11:02:10 AM
So this is where my question comes in:

If I were to sign up for the Selective Service now, at age 18, while still technically male, what would happen after I surgically become female? Is it possible to be removed from the list? If not, what would happen, would I still be listed as male? How could I change this? So many questions...

When and if they call you, you tell them you had SRS and that you are a transsexual, you show them you modified birth certificate, and because the military law does not allow transsexuals to serve, they will have to let you go.  I am sorry your thread went south; please do not listen to the wacky postings by fringe elements

Love,

Kate D 

Quote from: kate durcal on May 16, 2011, 07:25:02 PM
Hey Kitty,

Good to see you! I thought with your grade 3 glioblasotma you were a goner.How was the surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation? How much they took? where it was located? You have to fill us girl! Sorry if I am hijacking the thread but it is sure good to see you. Perhaps you can start a new thread on your progress

Kate D

i did

You can get anything you want, at Alices Restaurant!

Excepting Alice.

I've got great news! I just put this whole thread through the universal translator, here's what it said: "Corey, fill out your selective service paperwork, send it off, and forget about it. You'll never hear from them again. You're not a barnyard animal, slave, indentured servant, or a rake, like you've been hearing. You're a wonderful person with your whole life in front of you, go enjoy it."

DITTO