I'm not sure if this is a taboo topic or not and if it is please don't chastise me to bad looking at the inhouse website, I am looking for estradiol. However, I can only find EthinylOestradiol. Now to get the estradiol I would have to take an enormous amount of EthinylOestradiol and I know that's not right, so without breaking taboo how is this conversion done??

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on May 23, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
I'm not sure if this is a taboo topic or not and if it is please don't chastise me to bad looking at the inhouse website, I am looking for estradiol. However, I can only find EthinylOestradiol. Now to get estradiol I would have to take an enormous amount of EthinylOestradiol and I know that's not right, so without breaking taboo how is this conversion done??

Yes, posting exact dosages is against the ToS for this site.

Ethinyl estradiol has been pretty much discredited.
It's not a natural estrogen and tends to stick around in your body.

Ask your endocrinologist.

Sarah, thanks for the edit

Renate, that's the thing my endo wants me to use Estridiol and I have but $$ has gotten tight and I am looking for alternatives

Hi Cindy

I started transition in the 70ies, the hrt at that time was ethinyloestradiol.
I ended with a tromboseleg and lungembolism two times.
After that I get premarin from my endo, I have taken that for years with no problem.
These days there are spray's and plasters.
For me, it was quite dangerous with ethinyloestradiol.
I can only say, take care of yourself and discuss this with your endo, it's your health you're talking about.

hugs
Annette

Quote from: annette on May 23, 2011, 01:53:10 PM
Hi Cindy

I started transition in the 70ies, the hrt at that time was ethinyloestradiol.
I ended with a tromboseleg and lungembolism two times.
After that I get premarin from my endo, I have taken that for years with no problem.
These days there are spray's and plasters.
For me, it was quite dangerous with ethinyloestradiol.
I can only say, take care of yourself and discuss this with your endo, it's your health you're talking about.

hugs
Annette

Actually I did and she said she could change my script to premarin if I wanted it but she has better results with Estridiol ??

I've just been reading up on Premarin (which is manufactured from pregnant mares' urine, hence the name) - there is some controversy over how the horses and their foals are treated.

These are two separate things:

• (17 beta) estradiol (brand name: Estrace)
• Ethinyl estradiol

(17 beta) estradiol is a popular choice of endocrinologists and appears on most store's cheap generic list.

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on May 23, 2011, 02:01:16 PM
Actually I did and she said she could change my script to premarin if I wanted it but she has better results with Estridiol ??

That's what my gyno said too. I didn't argue, and I like baby horses too much to think of turning them into dog food.

Quote from: Renate on May 23, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
These are two separate things:

• (17 beta) estradiol (brand name: Estrace)
• Ethinyl estradiol

(17 beta) estradiol is a popular choice of endocrinologists and appears on most store's cheap generic list.

Yep, estradiol is one of my cheaper prescriptions (under $15/month) because it's covered on the generic lists. If you're balking at the price of that, then you'd best forget about getting finasteride! Though I consider the $35 I pay for it every month to be worth every red cent! Thank god for insurance :-)

OK so now I have both Rx my choice, inhouse only has the bad stuff where can I find Estradiol like a bird would say cheap, cheap, cheap

This may not be what you'd like to hear, but the least expensive way to obtain hormones, in the end, is probably by prescription. Generic Estrace is inexpensive, especially if you have health insurance with prescription coverage.

Let me clarify:

There is:

• (17 beta) estradiol, compounded different ways:
  
  • (17 beta) estradiol acetate
  • (17 beta) estradiol cypionate
  • (17 beta) estradiol hemihydrate, brand name: Estrofem
  • (17 beta) estradiol valerate, brand name: Progynova
  • micronized (17 beta) estradiol, brand name: Estrace
• (17 alpha) ethinylestradiol, brand name: Estinyl, lost FDA approval in 2004

Check with Walmart.  I only pay $20 for 90 days for Estradiol.

Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on May 24, 2011, 10:07:46 AM
OK so now I have both Rx my choice, inhouse only has the bad stuff where can I find Estradiol like a bird would say cheap, cheap, cheap

Wal Mart. Probably Walgreens and such too. if you have a mainstream script. $4 for 30 or $10 for 90

I'm mildly confused that inhouse doesn't have it or some equivilant.

i'm more confused that I though Etrodiol, Estrace, and Estratest were very close variants on the same thing?

I'm trying to get a comprehensive guide to all this stuff down, but here's the quick answer.

(17 beta) estradiol, a chemical name for the main type of estrogen used by humans.

Estrace, a trademark of Bristol Myers Squibb for micronized (17 beta) estradiol.

Estratest, a trademark of Solvay Pharmaceuticals, a mixture of sodium esterone sulfate (75-85%), sodium equilin sulfate(6-15%) and methyltestosterone (<=10%).
It has been discontinued.