Has anyone else gone through various stages of living full time and finding it really hard to pass and reverted back  in order to get hormones . Then got the hormones and found theve done very little to your physical appearence buit have made you feel better emotionally and pyschologicaly and  thought   I dont need through the stresses of  living as a woman outwardly.

I found that between 3-6months of hrt I had breast growth but everything else was lagging behind and it was freaking me out a little, on top of that it was summer so jumpers were not an option >__<
I somehow managed to get through though in hindsight I was silly.. it wasn't much fun at the time going out shopping etc. Loose t-shirts helped and keeping my head down.. but then one day people just started called me ma'am etc so I figured I was ready to progress to a more feminine androgynous look.
Just do all that you can do and wait it out! There is nothing wrong with wearing old clothes.. whatever makes you feel comfortable, I'm wearing an old (boy cut) band shirt right now! (bright eyes) my mum hates it but meh! I know I wouldn't of felt comfortable thinking "screw everyone I'm going to go full fem whether they like it or not!", not that I think I'd pass like that or even want to.. I think I'm lucky to pass as a tomboy which is enough for me! ^________^
If you place more importance on the emotional and psychological side of transition like you said then to me it shows you are on the right track, if you worry too much about how you look then.... *shrugs*.

You can do that and I did so at first but in most pepoles cases it becomes progressively harder as the chesticles start pushing out more and you start to look less like a male. After 3 months I was getting strange looks presenting as a male it was more double taking then IDing me as male... Eventually it happens more and more then alot of pepole just can't tell then it's not androgyny you start getting ID'd as female more. And now last time I even got the ambigious "mate" was 3 months ago.

Well Keira, I've never gone full time and reverted back, but I have been on hormones for 11 months and now am finding it really hard to pass as a guy.  Like Muffin and pebbles said, people start calling you ma'm, miss, she, etc.  After about 7 months of hormones, people started to think I was a girl, and now it has happened countless times.  Just the other day at BJ's a guy thought he was in my way and said "Oh, excuse me, miss."  You might even become a bit paranoid about who thinks you're male and who thinks you're female.  So Keira, I think that you should give the hormones a good amount of time to settle in and work their magic. 

That's nice they've helped your psychological and emotional state.  How long have you been on hormones, though?

I would take the option of taking the HRT while living as I feel comfortable, in a flash.

As much as I detest and hate having to live as a fake man, I would hate, even more, being a fake women.

Why can't these people just let me live as I choose to? Why can't they respect my wishes and my capacity to have them? Why can't they just let me be?

Exactly what Spacial said times 1O!

There are many MTF's woith GID who currently do this - take estrogen and/or an anti androgen in a low dose.  This is all that is needed to alleviate the majority of their symptoms.  These people rarely need surgery or to transition to a full time role which allows them to continue to live as males without it being so unbearable.

I'm still living outwardly as a guy, and without any real hope of going "all the way" or "full-time".  At age 53 (two months away) my physical size, male pattern baldness, and a spouse in denial make it difficult to ever comprehend having SRS or full-time life.  But so long as I live, I'll continue becoming as female as I can possibly be.  My orchiectomy is less than two weeks away, and I hope it benefits me in so many different ways: physically, mentally, and emotionally.  If and when facial electrolysis is ever complete (or close enough, anyway) I'll have hair replacement surgery to restore my hairline and make it more feminine.

And of course, there's always the lottery.  Even a prize as small as several thousand dollars could help make a difference.  A few dollars every few weeks is certainly worth that glimmer of hope. 

Quote from: Caith on May 29, 2011, 02:34:33 PM
I'm still living outwardly as a guy, and without any real hope of going "all the way" or "full-time".  At age 53 (two months away) my physical size, male pattern baldness, and a spouse in denial make it difficult to ever comprehend having SRS or full-time life.  But so long as I live, I'll continue becoming as female as I can possibly be.  My orchiectomy is less than two weeks away, and I hope it benefits me in so many different ways: physically, mentally, and emotionally.  If and when facial electrolysis is ever complete (or close enough, anyway) I'll have hair replacement surgery to restore my hairline and make it more feminine.

And of course, there's always the lottery.  Even a prize as small as several thousand dollars could help make a difference.  A few dollars every few weeks is certainly worth that glimmer of hope. 

Dear Caith,

I read your post and I could not but weep. I am in spiro, and looking forward to E. My "the rest of transition" seems so unattainable as to look like a fools dream, but like you, I continue little by little.

Your ister in [ain and hope

Anyone who thinks that oestrogen will automatically give them a 'normal' female face to say nothing of a pretty one, should go to certain Brazilian websites.   Perhaps the women to be found at those websites have had a hard life, perhaps combined with drug addiction and low self-esteem?   To my eyes though they all look facially grotesque.  Have you given any thought to the possibility that you might look less attractive, less passable than you do know?    Do you think there is a possibility that you have a highly romanticised view of women?    You may well look pretty and girlish after so many months on oestrogen, however you may well have the thick, stiff, rigid and odd face of a Brazilian travesti.   These travestis face wise look half-male, and half female, there is just something unnatural about their faces.  To end on a more positive note.  Mandy Mitchell and Thais Schavoni(sp?) are the only ones who look pretty and natural.   So who knows you might end up looking like them, but what if you don't?

Additional:   Don't forget you are playing with something(HRT) that not even full professors of Biochemistry and Pharmacology have any idea what the long term effect 20 years plus will have upon the body and brain.

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 29, 2011, 04:49:55 PM


Additional:   Don't forget you are playing with something(HRT) that not even full professors of Biochemistry and Pharmacology have any idea what the long term effect 20 years plus will have upon the body and brain.

Really? Maybe they should ask one of the many women on this site who have been taking hrt for 20+ years!

I think you should stick to watching porn.

I share the Taoist belief that the body is an extremely sophisticated biocomputer *where everything is interconnected and finely balanced.   The body always seeks balance and harmony left alone and allowed to do its own thing.   However, when the wounded mind** constantly seeks to control and manipulate the body that is when things go wrong big time.   The body is not like a house where you can add things on and demolish other parts.   Tampering with your brain, liver and endocrine system through HRT will have serious, perhaps even dangerous effects throughout the entire body.   I belief the body's energy system is seriously undermined through medical experiments and yes surgery.   Please stop thinking of your body as a thing, as a building, or as a canvas on which you can force your will upon.


* modern term I know.
** we all have wounded minds to varying degrees living in a stress filled, chemical, laden pollutant laced world.

P.S. Anyone interested in this should read about chi, meridans, Taoism, chi kung, tai chi ch'uan, yoga and the Chakras.

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 29, 2011, 05:36:19 PM
I share the Taoist belief that the body is an extremely sophisticated biocomputer *where everything is interconnected and finely balanced.   The body always seeks balance and harmony left alone and allowed to do its own thing.   However, when the wounded mind** constantly seeks to control and manipulate the body that is when things go wrong big time.   The body is not like a house where you can add things on and demolish other parts.   Tampering with your brain, liver and endocrine system through HRT will have serious, perhaps even dangerous effects throughout the entire body.   I belief the body's energy system is seriously undermined through medical experiments and yes surgery.   Please stop thinking of your body as a thing, as a building, or as a canvas on which you can force your will upon.


* modern term I know.
** we all have wounded minds to varying degrees living in a stress filled, chemical, laden pollutant laced world.

P.S. Anyone interested in this should read about chi, meridans, Taoism, chi kung, tai chi ch'uan, yoga and the Chakras.

Princes of Cups: what is in your cup? Certainly either you have drinking to much of Jesus's juice, or the weed got you.

My poor soul, I have news for you,  the effects of steroid hormones in the human body have been well documented and understood since the middle of last century. Your post if but that of an ignorant fanatic, full of rubbish. How dare you to come to this forum and criticize us with nothing but ignorance. If I were the owner of this forum I will have you ban

Quote from: Princess of Cups on May 29, 2011, 05:36:19 PM
I share the Taoist belief that the body is an extremely sophisticated biocomputer *where everything is interconnected and finely balanced.   The body always seeks balance and harmony left alone and allowed to do its own thing.   However, when the wounded mind** constantly seeks to control and manipulate the body that is when things go wrong big time.   The body is not like a house where you can add things on and demolish other parts.   Tampering with your brain, liver and endocrine system through HRT will have serious, perhaps even dangerous effects throughout the entire body.   I belief the body's energy system is seriously undermined through medical experiments and yes surgery.   Please stop thinking of your body as a thing, as a building, or as a canvas on which you can force your will upon.


* modern term I know.
** we all have wounded minds to varying degrees living in a stress filled, chemical, laden pollutant laced world.

P.S. Anyone interested in this should read about chi, meridans, Taoism, chi kung, tai chi ch'uan, yoga and the Chakras.

princess of cups By your reasoning I should stop taking Lithium because that must "unblance my body" when I stopped taling it in 2004 after 8 years of stability with a full time job i ended up in and of hospital for 5 years with long periods of intense deppression with periods in hospital with mainia it was like a living hell.

THanks for your support everyone

Before the 1960 the standard treat men for people like us was psychotherapy. After many studies the psychiatrist finally come to accept that the only medical valid treatment of gender identity dysphoria (GID) was HRT and SSR.

It has taken 50 years to be at a point where most countries legal and medical systems have begun to accept us and treat us accordingly. How many lives have been save by HRT and/or SRS?

Yet, there is still religious fanatics who still think that we choose to be who we are, and that our "life style" is but a perversion, a psychological disorder, we are in their pious eyes an abomination, deviants, perverts. And the go preaching they stupidity and ignorance through the world

Well, we should fight this fanatics wherever they rise their ugly head. This people are a disgrace to any religion and to humanity, they are the personification of evilness

Stay on topic people.  And remember ...

QuoteRule 10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.

Dear keira,

Like you I am going slow, just spiro for now, but awaiting for HRT. I know that low dose HRT would do me good, peace, and happiness. After that I am afraid to even contemplate the other changes. I am with you.

Love,

Kate D

Dear princess of cups, you're entitled to holding any beliefs or opinions you want, but you're not entitled to making up your own "facts" and the fact here is that there is no basis for that claim. In fact, as Kate put it "the effects of steroid hormones in the human body have been well documented and understood since the middle of last century".

Your may not "like" this fact, or even understand this "fact", but facts won't change however much you dislike or disagree with them.

Alright folks this has gone astray.  I am locking it for now.