Hey all. I was wondering, and I guess it might seem obvious- but on T, does the shape of your thighs change much? I know that it does redistribute fat around the hips up to the stomach, but what about the thighs- I mean where would that fat go? I ask because I pretty much inherited my mum's thighs, they remind me of kebabs or something. You know, \  / shaped. It bothers me quite a bit, I'm sure this is not how a man's thigh should be- my lower legs are quite masculine but I think my thighs look obviously female.

Another irritating downside is that men's jeans just don't fit me unless they are far bigger than they should be and even then- well what I mean is that they do fit me, but the thigh area is always tight and this means that the deep manly pockets are just unusable because I have to stuff my hands in and make awkward jiggles to get my hand in and find my buried keys or phone or whatever. I'm not overweight or anything, the two remaining female jeans I have still fit fine (ugh) and the pockets, whilst much more shallow, don't try to asphyxiate my hand when it goes in to get stuff.

tl;dr - on T, do you fit into men's trousers/ jeans better around the thigh area? Does the shape change from \  / to |  | ?

Also what the hell is up with ladies cloths and their total lack of decent pockets. Pockets are great. Awhile back I bought a ladies blazer for 6th form because it seemed more male to wear and cover up everything, but the pockets, were FAKE. Why go to the bother of installing pocket like façades into a garment only to just not actually put a pocket there, I mean what's the harm. Ladies have more things to carry, generally.  I get that they have purses and handbags and all that but even so? Don't even get me started on the ladies suit trousers I bought. I was like, yeah zips. Nobody puts a zip on something but not a pocket, that's crazy. Lo and behold, no pockets. None of the formal trousers had pockets! Drove me crazy. Where are you meant to put your phone? Ipod? Keys?

Ok I'm done now xD

My legs changed shape.  I also lost a lot of weight so I'm not sure how much of it was related to T.  I feel like they are "straighter" now--the "l  l" shape that you're describing.  My knees no longer touch either and my calfs (calves?) are way more defined and "masculine." 

So YMMV but that's generally how it is with T.  It won't change your hips though (bones, not fat) so that probably plays a big role in how your thighs are shaped.

As for the pockets, most women carry purses so they don't need large pockets.  The purse essentially is one large pocket for all their stuff.

The pockets are fake or tiny because -while they look neat- the designers absolutely want to prevent women from having any kind of "bumps" in their clothes. Cause we all know that's unacceptable, or something. And of course, it's all a conspiracy to force every single woman to carry around one of those ridiculous bags.

Are the pockets fake or are they sewn up? For some reason factories sew them up with a single thread, I assume to keep stuff out of them until purchase, and is easily snipped and removed. It took me YEARS to figure out this one out.

In one of the women's blazer, it was sewn up, but the pocket didn't seem like it was meant for use, the fabric was really thin and you couldn't even put a credit card in. Wraith has it right, that does make sense in this world of ...handbags... I mean seriously my mum has 10000 and not only does she never use any of them, she used to make me hold them because she couldn't be asked.

Thanks for the info Adio- more to look forward to again. I plan to get healthy and work out in a more focused way on T so maybe that will help too. As for bones, garhs damn them, curses. The only upside for bones (aside from the obvious) is that experimental sperm they're making from bone marrow (so I heard).

Quote from: Adio on June 02, 2011, 02:21:58 PM
and my calfs (calves?) are way more defined and "masculine." 

This is where my dysphoria lies. My calves have planty of muscle of course some pesky girl fat too but the muscle will not tone not matter what I do. My only hope is T. Adio you said your calves toned and thinned on T? That's awesome!
Anybody else with this problem or similar results with T?

I want man legs D:

I feel you on the / \ thing. I've always been self-conscious and dysphoric about it, comparing my legs to my guy friends' even before I came out to myself as trans.

I'm pretty sure it's not possible for your fat to move around your body. I wouldn't say it "goes" anywhere. As you loose and gain weight you will just loose and store the fat in different areas. Generally women are pear shaped and men are apple shaped.

Quote from: Sharky on June 02, 2011, 10:30:41 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not possible for your fat to move around your body. I wouldn't say it "goes" anywhere. As you loose and gain weight you will just loose and store the fat in different areas. Generally women are pear shaped and men are apple shaped.

I'm only speaking from my personal experience, but my fat definitely shifted.  And it happened quickly (within 6 months of being on T).  Although, like I said in my previous post, I did lose weight so I'm not entirely sure how much of it was the T and how much of it was the weight loss.  But my fat went from being on my hips/thighs/butt to my stomach.  And I gained a few inches around my middle that I didn't have before.  But my number went down almost 40 lbs.  Once again, YMMV.

Quote from: DevinJW on June 02, 2011, 02:06:47 PM
Hey all. I was wondering, and I guess it might seem obvious- but on T, does the shape of your thighs change much? I know that it does redistribute fat around the hips up to the stomach, but what about the thighs- I mean where would that fat go? I ask because I pretty much inherited my mum's thighs, they remind me of kebabs or something. You know, \  / shaped. It bothers me quite a bit, I'm sure this is not how a man's thigh should be- my lower legs are quite masculine but I think my thighs look obviously female.

Another irritating downside is that men's jeans just don't fit me unless they are far bigger than they should be and even then- well what I mean is that they do fit me, but the thigh area is always tight and this means that the deep manly pockets are just unusable because I have to stuff my hands in and make awkward jiggles to get my hand in and find my buried keys or phone or whatever. I'm not overweight or anything, the two remaining female jeans I have still fit fine (ugh) and the pockets, whilst much more shallow, don't try to asphyxiate my hand when it goes in to get stuff.

tl;dr - on T, do you fit into men's trousers/ jeans better around the thigh area? Does the shape change from \  / to |  | ?

Also what the hell is up with ladies cloths and their total lack of decent pockets. Pockets are great. Awhile back I bought a ladies blazer for 6th form because it seemed more male to wear and cover up everything, but the pockets, were FAKE. Why go to the bother of installing pocket like façades into a garment only to just not actually put a pocket there, I mean what's the harm. Ladies have more things to carry, generally.  I get that they have purses and handbags and all that but even so? Don't even get me started on the ladies suit trousers I bought. I was like, yeah zips. Nobody puts a zip on something but not a pocket, that's crazy. Lo and behold, no pockets. None of the formal trousers had pockets! Drove me crazy. Where are you meant to put your phone? Ipod? Keys?

Ok I'm done now xD

This post inspired the same hatred inside of me as it clearly does you and I was thoroughly entertained by the way you put it aswell, awesome
I applaud you Sir



also, the handbag thing Wraith was saying definitely makes sense, I can't believe that never occured to me before: small pockets = handbag usage= ££/$$ in handbag maker's eyes

Quote from: Sharky on June 02, 2011, 10:30:41 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not possible for your fat to move around your body. I wouldn't say it "goes" anywhere. As you loose and gain weight you will just loose and store the fat in different areas. Generally women are pear shaped and men are apple shaped.

"Now let's consider another factor in FTM testosterone therapy-- the redistribution of body fat to a more "male" pattern. Over the course of months and years, a trans man typically sees a shift of bodyfat from his hips and legs to his belly. This can be very dramatic for those who may have been overweight to begin with (they may show a very large accumulation of fat around the midsection), while those who did not carry a lot of bodyfat to begin with might not see a dramatic increase in abdominal fat." - Myths and Misconceptions about Testosterone, Transition, and Trans Men, http://www.ftmguide.org/myths.html#8

Testosterone is not the only thing that can redistribute fat ("prednisone also tends to redistribute body fat to places that are undesirable, particularly the face (moon face), back of the neck (buffalo hump), and abdomen." http://www.gihealth.com/html/education/drugs/prednisone.html). Adipose/fat cells are kind of like sacks.  They hold the fat. They stretch and balloon out to hold more fat. When testosterone or another substance capable of causing fat redistribution is around, fat is released from fat cells in one area and migrated to another.  The cells themselves don't move, they just get bigger or smaller.

Quote from: Eotheod on June 03, 2011, 03:06:23 AM
"Now let's consider another factor in FTM testosterone therapy-- the redistribution of body fat to a more "male" pattern. Over the course of months and years, a trans man typically sees a shift of bodyfat from his hips and legs to his belly. This can be very dramatic for those who may have been overweight to begin with (they may show a very large accumulation of fat around the midsection), while those who did not carry a lot of bodyfat to begin with might not see a dramatic increase in abdominal fat." - Myths and Misconceptions about Testosterone, Transition, and Trans Men, http://www.ftmguide.org/myths.html#8

Testosterone is not the only thing that can redistribute fat ("prednisone also tends to redistribute body fat to places that are undesirable, particularly the face (moon face), back of the neck (buffalo hump), and abdomen." http://www.gihealth.com/html/education/drugs/prednisone.html). Adipose/fat cells are kind of like sacks.  They hold the fat. They stretch and balloon out to hold more fat. When testosterone or another substance capable of causing fat redistribution is around, fat is released from fat cells in one area and migrated to another.   The cells themselves don't move, they just get bigger or smaller.

I knew T causes you to hold your fat differently.  I didn't know it was possible for fat to actually leave a cell and go to another.

Even with male formal clothes, you're not meant to put things in the pockets, barring your back trouser pocket for a wallet, or maybe a thing card/wallet in the inner breast pocket of your jacket. So says THE MAN, anyway.
But, yeah, I never understood why with female clothing the pockets suck. Though I generally try not to use my pockets anyway, my wallet and iPod give me square thighs.

Oh yeah, huge difference. 

Downside:  I no longer have any sort of butt of which to speak.  Seriously it's nearly flat back there.  It kinda sucks but nothing I can't manage really.  I have actually padded it to make it seem fuller if you can imagine that.  There are some pockets of fat around my waist line, (aka love handles) but they are going away slowly.  They are easily hidden by clothing.  At this point I only look good clothed.  Looking good naked is still a ways away but I continue pushing forward with that.

Upside:  My hips are now narrow and my legs are a nice mixture of muscular and slim.  Before they were round and awful.  Wearing skinny jeans or leather pants poses no problem and I pass just fine in them.  No problem using the pockets even in skinny jeans.  Yes it is a fantastic feeling.  I am gained muscle enough to be visible on my abdomen and my arms are gaining size.

Disclaimer:  I've been on T for over a year now.  I have been very careful with what I eat overall.  Plus I have stuck to a fitness plan for the most part. 

2 things squirrel-

1. EVERYBODY looks better clothed.

2. Flat butts are great!

Hahaha, thanks El Captain

And the info is very promising, thanks a lot Squirrel. I've always know that once I even start hormone blockers, in a few months, I gotta keep in shape and eat well. I fully intend to take advantage of T and start getting disciplined in that respect. Only problem is I don't have any cash to go to a gym, or even to buy clothes for the gym that I won't feel stupid in, for now I just have to rely on things I can do at home or on my bike. What's your fitness plan?

Pockets aren't that hard to make. If/when you find a pair of pants that fit, find matching fabric and make pockets as needed. Just gotta have patience and basic skills with a sewing machine (or by hand, if you're really masochistic LOL)

The pattern and sizing of the pocket can be worked out by dismantling a (desired) pocket from an old pair of pants, tracing its shape onto pattern paper, and then making the pocket, in the style of (but larger than) the (too small) pockets.