Hey ya'll, I have a question of what might be good for me.

So long story short, I am a young (natural) male who is well below age 30, but I've always suffered from extreme male hormones (I developed Adult Age 40 class body hair at age 11, always have been extremely sexually driven, have always had extreme oil production and breakouts constantly, have always had swollen, red facial skin, have always had spine, shoulder pain, and most of all, I have an extremely masculine craniofacial shape that in no way looks normal for my age, wether I identify as male or female - even all the males around me make fun of my 'ogre' looks. I'm also going bald rapidly.)

As of right now, I do know adamantly that I identify as a woman and I've always wanted to look like a softer version of "myself". I just can picture what I'd simply look like without the problems with my face that I describe above. I've made morph pictures and so have professionals, and I simply want to look like a "fixed" version of me. I know tons of boys my age who look very androgynous and without the testosterone issues I suffer from. Quite frankly, my main concern at this point is stopping the masculine side effects and at least appearing softer and more androgynous so that I can feel confident enough to start my real life process.

With that being said, I do want all the facial changes/preventions, but right now would not be a good time for me to develop breasts, and quite frankly, I'm not sure that I want them. I have an extremely flat chest that doesn't even look right anyway, so a little fullness in that area would not hurt me, but at this time, I do not want big breasts, pretty plain and simple. I also do not really want to destroy my penis (what else would I use to ejaculate?) because it would be forever until I considered genital surgery. I guess the honest truth is that I've put up with so much in my own mind that I *could* settle for simply being Androgynous. As long as I'm able to embody a female in a public life, I almost feel that it would make me happy enough that I would not require anything else changed. I'm simply looking for peace.

So with that said, I'm guessing that Anti-Androgens would be a option for me, but what else is an option? Are there less known hormone therapy treatments that lower or balance out male hormone levels to a more healthy place (after all, many males around me seem to have very healthy, non-damaging male hormone levels that give them a very pretty, androgynous appearance just from having hormone balance aka Justin Bieber for example.)? For now, I mainly want to soften my facial skin, cure the acne problems, and feel less masculine. What are my options hormonally?

Actually Justin Bieber is 17 as of right now, and I developed my problematic features as age 11. Justin Bieber looks the wsy he does because his hormones are extraordinarily in balance. Most of the guys around me in my normal life look just like him, and they're also 17+. Adam Lambert is frickin
30 years old and yet I look decades older than him (but I'm younger).

But I'm currently getting tested for Acromegaly, and if I don't have it, I may still be able to opt for it's cure - another reason for excessive growth is GH hormones, something not commonly talked about here. They're a hormone that flares up while we sleep, and cause bone or craniofacial growth. And about anti-androgens, again, my main concern is stopping bone growth and further puberty changes (there are various puberty stages up untill we die) and to stop extreme oil production and swollen skin, which isn't easily stopped any other way. Do anti-androgens do this?

Rhino, yhour asking questions that you should be asking of your doctor.  We are not doctors and can not give out medical diagnoses.  We also do not support self medication, so the only way we can suggest you get Anti Androgens would be with a doctor's prescription.

As others had said, this is something you need to discuss with your therapist or doctor. I am against self medication because there are those who self medicate that REALLY needs to see a counselor first. Yourself included.

I wish you the best!

Oh no I'm not considering self-medication one bit, I'm just asking about stuff that will help me be prepared when I do ask a doc about it.

But little hormone lesson here, on how hormones occur in nature:

Basically, there's 6 variations on human growth and sex hormones.

1. The person experiences spikes of truly extreme growth and male sex hormone secretion during sleep, but their production during the day is relatively calm; this why there's very haggard men that narrowly miss the criteria of Acromegalic.

2. The person experiences a relatively low production of growth and sex hormones across the board; this causes a person to look malnourished or oblong.

3. The person experiences a surge in hormones belonging to the opposite sex; this causes things like man-boobs and generally female shaped men.

4. The person experiences a constant secretion of growth and sex hormones; this is the condition called Acromegaly *resulting an appearance more extreme that even "haggard".

5. The person experiences a relatively calm hormone distribution across the board, and does not experience unhealthy spikes in male hormone regulation; this virtually halts unwanted aging and creates an androgynous person aka this is exactly what Justin Bieber's hormone type is (and about %40 of males out there naturally belong to this, believe it or not.)

6. The person experiences a slight "bias" toward their own sex hormones, but it still runs in a mild secretion and does not give the man a horrible appearance; this is what makes up most of the males out there, think Bradley Cooper.

Now, obviously for the modern day businessman or actor, #5 and #6 are the only considerable options, and #3 may be a positive for many here. However, 1, 2, 3, and 4 are conditions that usually are universally ill-favored by everyone in our advanced generation of today when it comes to looking like a truly attractive man, androgyny, teen, or trans, and the unwanted types of imbalanced hormonal patters should be "fixed" IMO (though many professionals disagree because of religious reasons, no matter how much social pain the person is going through.)

But yeah, that list is just the list for what males tend to experience, bad or good, but it pretty much is relative to what girls experience in growth as well.

well, typically after some time with your therapist, he or she may give you the reference letters to take to an endocrinologist.

The endocrinologist will then do a battery of blood work to see exactly where you stand in terms of hormone levels and then they will prescribe you the type and dosage based upon your bloodwork. One thing I tell my transfriends is don't worry about the hormone issues being changed, etc, until that times comes.

Your doc will know what to do

Ask your doctor about finasteride which stops the synthasis of DHT from testosterone. It blocks the 5 alpha reductase enzyme and is very effective but can have side effects. DHT causes male patterned baldness, body hair growth, and is more masculinizing than regular testosterone. I don't recommend taking it without a prescription but it is a pretty safe drug with all the side effects that I know of (trust your doctor , not me) would be things like low libido, impotence, loss or delayed  orgasm ability, etc.

I'd much rather be infertile or impotent than bald and filled to the brim with acne and oil. Actually, that "side effect" of lower libido would be a blessing for me, because a big source of my own depression is how turned on I get by guys who are beautiful compared to myself, which then makes me extraordinarily jealous of them. It would be a good side effect for me, which is why I'm weighing it all out.

And I took a blood test a couple weeks ago, and the doctor wrote me a short private letter saying all my hormones are "normal", though I do not believe that he compared my levels to my height, weight, age, and gender preference. "Normal" in my town is being the size of a 40 year old linebacker, which to doctors around here, is the goal that every man should have (every doctor has the 10 Commandments hanging in their office where I live). I'm sure not paying for another blood test by a gender-friendly Endo, so I'm going to demand that my doctor give me the numbers to my blood test or else I'll tell him that I'm going to subpoena them through a court system. Ya'll would not believe how extraordinarily discriminatory the doctors are in my area, all the therapists, physicians, and dermatologists strictly are set out to make sure that males do not achieve a female sense of beauty and professionals that I am indeed friendly with in my area have told me this agenda undercover.

But thankfully, as soon as I save up the money, I'm hoping to go to Nashville and have a hayday! Even in Nashville, most of the professionals are biased as well, but I've found a good old list of gender-friendlies and I'm hoping they know exactly what to do. This truly is an emergency for me because even beyond how I cannot get a job until I have improvements to my skin diseases and craniofacial shape (employees have told me across the board that they cannot hire me with my severe diseases and disfigurement, and I do have health conditions that prevent me from working physical labor jobs), I do believe I have Acromegaly or Acromegaloidism, which is actually deadly. So while I personally wish the Gender Fairy (aka Health Insurence) would send me a big, fat old financial blessing, I have to generally accomplish the finances myself and it's going to be an extremely hard process.

P.S. I'm not saying that everyone should look the same or have the same hormonal growth or process, and the 6 guidelines above are only "guidelines" that leave out many facts and body types, but at the same time, even in all our unique bodies, big or small, hormonal balance for our specific weights, heights, gender preferences, and ages are truly the key to good health, both internally and physically, and that is the balance that I wish medical professionals would get an education about (or loose the bias.) Hormonal imbalances are just extremely detremental to both Transpeople or people who, like me, work in careers that involve physical expression and physical professionalism. But the entire medical field is both discriminatory against Trans as much as they are people who work in media fields; surprising but true. Medial professionals are so extremely jealous of the normal folk they can cure.

Just so happens I'm Trans as well, which sort of pounds on the reasons I need to have a professional appearance. Ugh, I just can't stand having truly extreme skin and extreme facial features, it's one of the most detrimental restrictions a Trans can have in leading their own life. You can escape your family, your town, your career, ect ect, but you can't escape your body, and to me it just makes me feel like dying. And hardly anyone understands because every religious person says 'You're a man, you're not supposed to care about that, your hormones are fine, just like the linebackers in prison who punch walls. That's what your goal should be.' I'm so tired of wasting my hard earned money on these whackos.

Quote from: RhinoP on July 11, 2011, 09:11:24 PM
And I took a blood test a couple weeks ago, and the doctor wrote me a short private letter saying all my hormones are "normal", though I do not believe that he compared my levels to my height, weight, age, and gender preference. "Normal" in my town is being the size of a 40 year old linebacker, which to doctors around here, is the goal that every man should have (every doctor has the 10 Commandments hanging in their office where I live). I'm sure not paying for another blood test by a gender-friendly Endo, so I'm going to demand that my doctor give me the numbers to my blood test or else I'll tell him that I'm going to subpoena them through a court system.

It would be easier and cheaper if you got a second opinion. If the second doctor gives u the same results then it may be true what the first doctor said. Also, you do not need to threaten court action. Every patient is entitled to their medical records for a fee.

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This truly is an emergency for me because even beyond how I cannot get a job until I have improvements to my skin diseases and craniofacial shape (employees have told me across the board that they cannot hire me with my severe diseases and disfigurement, and I do have health conditions that prevent me from working physical labor jobs),

It is illegal for any employer to not hire you because they think you are ugly..especially if they said so. Are you sure this is what you think of yourself versus what you think your interviewees are thinking???

Quotebecause every religious person says 'You're a man, you're not supposed to care about that, your hormones are fine, just like the linebackers in prison who punch walls.

Not "every" religious person believes this. There are many religions (including Christianity, Judaism, etc etc ) who does not say a transwoman is a man.

You are concentrating too hard on the negatives and forgetting those out there that truly embrace us.

Quote from: Annah on July 11, 2011, 10:51:08 PM

It is illegal for any employer to not hire you because they think you are ugly..especially if they said so. Are you sure this is what you think of yourself versus what you think your interviewees are thinking???

Actually it's not illegal in most cases, I've researched that addictively. Sex, Religion, and Race are really the only two things an employer can't discriminate on; they can discriminate your legal history, your health conditions, your physical appearance. Now, most employers will never say out loud that they're not hiring someone because they don't want the receptionist at the front desk to have a face full of acne, but I've had plenty of employers whom, upon having asked them, have been downright honest with me about my appearance. I few have even said rude and insulting things right off the bat. It's an epidemic, I've mentioned this before, but walk into a fashion mall and the only people you'll see working at the stores are acne-free, skinny, fashionable bimbos who couldn't add the sum of two dollars together to save their life.

For instance, someone in a wheelchair is not going to get hired to work construction, and that's why the government owns up to it and says "You know, you're not going to get hired at Bob's Plumbing, chances are you're not going to get hired anywhere, here's $400 in the mail every week." I have mental and physical disabilities galore (and plain out some negative appearance stereotyping; I have a very mean, nasty, untrustworthy look because of an Acromegaloid appearance) and I absolutely cannot work physical labor jobs, and I would even be very pressured when working jobs that require me to stand all day. Yet I don't get any disability, unlike every Baby Momma in my area.

Basically, because of other health problems, along with just my skill levels and finances, I'm stuck in a zone where I can apply for jobs like being a cashier...um, being a cashier is about it, as long as I could sit down. I don't have the time or the funds to spend 6 months taking a trainee coarse to work at a telecommunications company, I basically need quick, good old fashioned money and with my appearance, my options are pretty much McDonalds and Burger King. I should mention that because of a couple health issues, I have to apply medications (a 15 minute process) every hour of the day, so I can't exactly work a speedy shift and the only employer that may cover that situation is one that has a relatively low customer count and no constant production processes.

Personally, the only thing that's really come to my mind is working at a Liqoure Store. Relatively low customer level, nothing active, I have a huge interest in alcohol professionally, and none of the employers care what you look like when you're the cashier of 4th Street Package Store. Would be a great job for me!

i think you have a really low self image of yourself.

You put yourself down in literally almost every post you've made here. I'm not a therapist so I can't give you an advice or anything like that but I do hope you get better!

Annah

Quote from: RhinoP on July 05, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
Oh no I'm not considering self-medication one bit, I'm just asking about stuff that will help me be prepared when I do ask a doc about it.

But little hormone lesson here, on how hormones occur in nature:

Basically, there's 6 variations on human growth and sex hormones.

1. The person experiences spikes of truly extreme growth and male sex hormone secretion during sleep, but their production during the day is relatively calm; this why there's very haggard men that narrowly miss the criteria of Acromegalic.

2. The person experiences a relatively low production of growth and sex hormones across the board; this causes a person to look malnourished or oblong.

3. The person experiences a surge in hormones belonging to the opposite sex; this causes things like man-boobs and generally female shaped men.

4. The person experiences a constant secretion of growth and sex hormones; this is the condition called Acromegaly *resulting an appearance more extreme that even "haggard".

5. The person experiences a relatively calm hormone distribution across the board, and does not experience unhealthy spikes in male hormone regulation; this virtually halts unwanted aging and creates an androgynous person aka this is exactly what Justin Bieber's hormone type is (and about %40 of males out there naturally belong to this, believe it or not.)

6. The person experiences a slight "bias" toward their own sex hormones, but it still runs in a mild secretion and does not give the man a horrible appearance; this is what makes up most of the males out there, think Bradley Cooper.

Now, obviously for the modern day businessman or actor, #5 and #6 are the only considerable options, and #3 may be a positive for many here. However, 1, 2, 3, and 4 are conditions that usually are universally ill-favored by everyone in our advanced generation of today when it comes to looking like a truly attractive man, androgyny, teen, or trans, and the unwanted types of imbalanced hormonal patters should be "fixed" IMO (though many professionals disagree because of religious reasons, no matter how much social pain the person is going through.)

But yeah, that list is just the list for what males tend to experience, bad or good, but it pretty much is relative to what girls experience in growth as well.

I must fight this because i am only 5'5.5" and i had one fifth more T then the average man.