Oh, here we go again?
Maybe public toilets can not always be avoided but at least showers and change-rooms?
When it comes to hospitals what then?

Just 3 weeks ago, all pleading didn't help me, I was send to the men's oncology-ward sharing with 3 male occupants. I was in tears sobbing like a baby, but no, the ward-nurse said NO WAY! and so I picked up my mojo and though maybe some sexy dudes there and got rolled in with 3 old geezers. One close to dieing, one as miserable as I'd ever seen, and # 3 one highly aggro young Turk having endless arguments with the room nurse about his drip.
Ok, could hardly say my A-cups made a splash in that theatre gown, my blood-red cutexed toenails sure did, and of course being female the way I speak and so on with my butt uncovered and no bikini theatre undies available in the men's ward! I can laugh now, but surely had a smallish problem with maintaining my humour, let tell you.

Seems to me they'd still send me there based on my "M" ID status even if I'd be post-op!
Sweet lovely neo-vag. and boobies in the men's? Oh yeah?

It makes me wonder how it would work with our mostly non-op boys and guys out there.
Bio-vag. in the men's ward and binding boobies. Not sure what's worse, but  have my doubts it'd be such a nice thing to behold.

Not that I want to return there soon, but maybe you will let me know how you coped (sans tears and all) when in such situation the last time.
Axelle

Quote from: Axelle on July 04, 2011, 12:03:13 AM
Seems to me they'd still send me there based on my "M" ID status even if I'd be post-op!

Why did you have "M" ID status pre op if you are about to go in for surgery? I've had a female ID status for nearly a decade and I'm still pre-op! I think the hospital probably acted on that information if you still had a male ID.

Hospitals (or at least the ones I work in) are quite OK with changing gender status on forms. We even have written rules of how to change the gender status and link results to previous recorded status.  I'd also have words with your consultant  he/she must know your gender.

But I do feel for you Honey

Hugs
Cindy

Naturally Blond, (that name's soo cool, hey :-)
I am a German citizen and without GRS, NOTHING will be changed. (se Chairmens are fery schtrikt wis sis schtaff, ja).
If I don't change that first ($5000 later and a trip to Berlin), the SA authorities won't budge either since I'm a Perm. Res. in SA only.

Cindy,
over here they look at your Medical Aid (M/F) status based on your ID book which, see above, says "M" (3rd last digit a 1, and not 0). Yeah got that right, female's a ZERO, hee-hee.

I tried to have the hospital change it and the answer? The Medical Aid will NOT pay squat if the status is "incorrect".

"Andere Länder andere Sitten" see Google translate if you can't tell :-)

My consultant (at hospital) actually explained those Medical Aid rules to me.

Now after GRS it will REALLY get nutty because they still will not change because of existing "M" documentation and the guys in the men's ward will have a neo-vag. girl in their midst. Oh yeah?
So long they're "hot", um? --- yet mostly they too busy with their own issues.

Seems the US is a bit in advance here by all accounts. Also if they'd ever lock me up for being found to be a bad girl (e.g. speeding, giving lip to an officer of the law or such), guess where I'll wind up. With the boys... nothing to look particularly forward to either.

From the wild South...
Axelle

That sounds terrible.

I'm Australia a bit further south than you.

Doesn't the EU have policies for this.

They seem to be full of bull about anything else

Cindy

Germany and the U.K are both in the EU so why don't they both have the same criteria?In the U.K you have to change all your ID to female otherwise they won't consider you for GRS. I am from the U.K by the way!

Beats me honey,
as the rest of the continent (I guess) and Switzerland for sure, asks 3 years RLE with a therapist to prove it. Then you MAY get "THE LETTER(S)", then have GRS, and only then can change your status (M/F).

The UK has it's own law system (still) never been influenced by the Napoleonic code, which BTW also does not allow a female name (and visa versa) if it does not fit your physical sex.
So you need GRS (MtF) at present, *for any ID document change*.
FtMs need breast reduction (if not flat by nature, and be hysterectomised so as not to be able to conceive in guy-mode). A judge is appointed in Berlin High-Court, he will look at you and then decided if it's a go - no go! So t-guy with boobs be a no go for sure, or MtF that does not pass also a no-go. Doctores letter for GRS, etc. must be presented to the judge.

The state considers GRS (penoplasty) for FtM as too invasive to explicitly ask for as in the case of MtF.
So, in answer your question: Yes, those laws are obviously different as are still plenty other laws. It's due the different systems going way back in time: Interpretive Law (UK) vs. Interrogative Law (Germany, France, etc. as in: vee will ask se queschons!) and Coded Law (Germany, etc.) vs. Case Law (UK)
I hope I got it all right, only my ex-gf is a legal-beagle.
Axelle

In the U.K you have to change all your ID and live and work as a woman for the minimum of two years in order to qualify for GRS!

Germany sounds crazy!  you have to live as a woman and not change your ID and have a man's ID in order to qualify for GRS? and then you are put in a man's ward when you get surgery, absolute madness!   

You have separate hospitals for men and women? That's a pity... Most of our rooms are "vaguely mixed" here. (Like, they "preferably" put more men with men and women with women but when I was hospitalized, there was a woman and three men in the room.)

But I really feel sorry for you on the gender marker dilemma... I read about a woman in France who had to spend a few thousand euros in court to undergo a "trial", including gynecological exams, to convince a judge to change that letter...

Quote from: Axelle on July 05, 2011, 03:09:36 AM
So you need GRS (MtF) at present, *for any ID document change*.

Axelle,

that requirement has actually been declared unfonstitutional in Germany. You may want to look into to the note at page 87 of the recent Council of Europe report with a lawyer http://www.qx.se/file.php?id=194

As for ridiculous criteria I had to do 11 months of RLE before I could even change my name in Denmark.


Best of luck

Tippe

The last 3 times I was hospitalised they put me in a single ocupancy room. Each time there were multiple open beds in the rooms that had 2 beds in them.
Each time I had to wait for at least an hour to have a bed open for me.
So obviously they had to make a single room available to acomidate the person they were not sure where to put.
It was nice having the room to myself but it could get isolating. Even having a mean old man in the next bed might be entertainment for awhile.

Tippe thanks,
It looks interesting BUT NOW WHAT?!
Surely it will takes ages to correct a "declared unconstitutional situation" even in Germany via the "Bundesgerichtshof". Being in my home town Karlsruhe won't help any either :-)

11 month RLE and you have your name changed in DK, great!!! A girl's name, yes?

I have 18 month RLE full time in SA. Now Germany is currently asking for a minimum of an UNINTERRUPTED *3 years*! And some interpret ONLY THEN you may be allowed on HRT!!!!! Just imagine THAT idiocy.

Furthermore it needs to be documented by a GERMAN psychiatrist/therapist that you actually been full time AND THEY CHECK ON YOU. Riding on a men's bicycle is in contravention of the rules so you'll get extra time.

No good to show my SA information, it's "worthless" over there.

To boot, if I understand what you say, your status still being "M" and not "F", I could change my name ok, BUT it would have to be a *MALE* name because there is no status change to "F".
Now what good would that do?

So far I'll be sooner under the ground before I have my German docs changed - and following this - no SA doc change either due to P.R. status over here.
IT BUT TOTALLY SUCKS.
Axelle

Here, you need surgery to have the gender marker changed, but with a letter from the psychiatrist, you are allowed to have a female name. Maybe this is possible for you.

in norway you can in theory change your name even without any letter, but it could be an idea to have one as some might try to stop you still. legal gender can't be changed before srs. they refuse to give treatment to anyone who's not strictly within the "transsexual" category. all gender specialists are gathered in one place over here, and i'm really not sure if i should seek any advice from them as i've heard they have a history of maltreating patients. of course they don't care about the soc either