Vegetarian... Vegan to be, again.

I  will take all the meat, plkease keep the plant stuff.


Kate D

Well that's me in a "nut" shell !

Metta Zenda

Quote from: Zenda on July 07, 2011, 02:28:30 PM

I'm a "Vege 'nut'erian!"

A plant is just that -which Mother Nature 'planted'- nowhere else to go-
except to be pulled up or plucked and eaten- which is its natural flow...

They're not designed to run from danger –that's why they are meant to stay-
and when ripe and ready they should be eaten or they will rot away...

Unlike a plant, a sentient being  is not rooted in the ground-
they're designed to  flee from danger to a place more  safe and sound...

So if it runs on land, swims in the sea, or on wings takes to the air-
for me it's not a food source – they know  fear and so I care...

For sentient beings once full of life I feel this must be said-
to feast upon their body parts – one becomes a graveyard for their dead!

"We are what we eat!" Some say –Well at least I'm not a gluts-
along with a little fruit and vegetables-I'm quite happy being nuts!

Well that's me in a "nut" shell !

Metta Zenda

Plants are not so defenseless as you point them out to be. The make up some potent alkaloids that more often than not than not kill you, juts try to eat one of your 'cumbaya" green tomatoes and see what happens to you. 

Human are omnivores because they cannot synthesize certain essential amino avid and fatty acid.  You are Right, we are what we are, I am a red blooded American girls grown in meat an potatoes.

Kate D

PS Eat a cow and reduce global warming. There is not such a thing as mother nature, or the tooth fairy, or the eastern bunny

Hard one. I'm not vegan, but I like all the others. Certainly I support ethical treatment of food animals, but it always bothers me the way people seem to have no respect for plants. Just because their anatomy is very different from animals doesn't mean they aren't still creatures deserving our respect. Obviously we gotta eat, and it is natural to eat both plants and animals, but don't think that just because plants don't have an animal nervous system it means that they don't mind being ripped out of the ground and eaten. Poor things don't even get the chance to attempt escape.

Point being, respect all creatures that died so you could live, plant and animal alike.

Kia Ora,

Why is it "animal flesh/meat" eaters tend to be so aggressive ?  Was it something you ate?   

Metta Zenda
 

Quote from: Pinkfluff on July 07, 2011, 08:19:19 PM
Hard one. I'm not vegan, but I like all the others. Certainly I support ethical treatment of food animals, but it always bothers me the way people seem to have no respect for plants. Just because their anatomy is very different from animals doesn't mean they aren't still creatures deserving our respect. Obviously we gotta eat, and it is natural to eat both plants and animals, but don't think that just because plants don't have an animal nervous system it means that they don't mind being ripped out of the ground and eaten. Poor things don't even get the chance to attempt escape.

Point being, respect all creatures that died so you could live, plant and animal alike.

Kia Ora Pinkfluff,

At first I thought , yes you have a serious point there, and I agree, it's important to "respect" all living things tree, plants, animals etc...But then when I read the highlighted red part, it made me smile...

But I have no wish to get into an ethical debate re: the animal verses the plant kingdom, because it all depends on how one defines "sentient being" and from what I gather it means different things to different people...

For example from a Buddhist perspective [from one Buddhist school of thought that is,I should point out not all Buddhists are vegetarians] a sentient being possesses a "mind" whereas an "automaton" does not...That is, one could say "plants don't "mind" if we eat them  [excuse the pun]. However, any animal whose survival strategy and behaviour appears to depend on the avoidance of "suffering" [rather than mere reflex actions] I assume to be sentient...   

Metta Zenda 

Quote from: kate durcal on July 07, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
Plants are not so defenseless as you point them out to be. The make up some potent alkaloids that more often than not than not kill you, juts try to eat one of your 'cumbaya" green tomatoes and see what happens to you. 

Human are omnivores because they cannot synthesize certain essential amino avid and fatty acid.  You are Right, we are what we are, I am a red blooded American girls grown in meat an potatoes.

Kate D

   

PS Eat a cow and reduce global warming. There is not such a thing as mother nature, or the tooth fairy, or the eastern bunny

Kia Ora Kate,

Studying botany can be quite fascinating...When certain plants have developed defenses such as toxins [poisonous to humans] then "naturally" humans and other animals who know this tend to avoid them...Also closely studying/comparing the digestive systems of carnivores, omnivores, and herbivores, to humans can be a real eye opener...

Kate why is it do you think animal flesh eaters [humans]  "cook" their meat?

Have you seen what happens when a "natural" omnivore comes across fresh "road kill" Kate ? 

Metta Zenda

I know one thing.  I won't be basing a Vegetable Soup on Celeriac again!  If I hadn't included a couple of carrots I would have had a tasteless bowl of hot water with various sorts of white lumps!

The leftovers will get a good dose of kabana and anything I can think of tomorrow.

Karen.

fish, bear, whale, all taste great raw (sashimi!). i haven't tasted raw horse meat yet, but i've heard it's really tasty and only gets better the older the horse is

I can't believe pork had the least votes. Also chicken is overrated. >.>

Quote from: Zenda on July 07, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
it all depends on how one defines "sentient being"

Yeah I'm sure everyone's own beliefs play into it. My own Pagan beliefs say that every lifeform deserves a measure of respect. Obviously a bacteria is not the same as a wolf or a tree, but some plants are older/bigger/more complex than some animals. Compare a large tree to a sponge. I think it is a slippery slope when one gets into what has a mind, what counts as a mind, etc. What about a human with severe brain damage? What about a sufficiently complex artificial "mind"? Are they sentient? I guess that's why I prefer to just avoid asking that question. To me plants and animals alike have both natural and spiritual importance.

Quote from: Pinkfluff on July 08, 2011, 09:07:37 AM
Yeah I'm sure everyone's own beliefs play into it. My own Pagan beliefs say that every lifeform deserves a measure of respect. Obviously a bacteria is not the same as a wolf or a tree, but some plants are older/bigger/more complex than some animals. Compare a large tree to a sponge. I think it is a slippery slope when one gets into what has a mind, what counts as a mind, etc. What about a human with severe brain damage? What about a sufficiently complex artificial "mind"? Are they sentient? I guess that's why I prefer to just avoid asking that question. To me plants and animals alike have both natural and spiritual importance.

This is more along my line of thinking. Obviously, humans have to eat something. If they don't eat animals, they're going to have to eat plants. I think if plants were the only lifeforms meant for food, we wouldn't have carnivores who need a diet of meat. Animal products also provide a lot of nutrients for us humans as well.

I'm not a vegetarian, but am often mistaken for one since I only eat the occasional hamburger or steak. I don't eat any fowl products including eggs (except in bakery goods and such and maybe the obligatory bite of turkey once a year for the national holiday.) I eat a lot of seafood though. I simply don't have much taste for red, white, or any other color of meat. I probably eat a steak or hamburger once a year. And even then I'm very particular how it's done and have to be in the mood for it.
Man was meant to eat fish... and pasta. 

Quote from: Pinkfluff on July 08, 2011, 09:07:37 AM
I think it is a slippery slope when one gets into what has a mind, what counts as a mind, etc. What about a human with severe brain damage? What about a sufficiently complex artificial "mind"? Are they sentient?

Kia Ora PF,

While we are on the "subject" more "food" for "thought"...

The slippery slope is not so much what "has" a mind, but what "is" the mind and how it differs from the "brain"...The brain being "physical matter" and the mind "subjective experience"...



Metta Zenda

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 08, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
I can't believe pork had the least votes. Also chicken is overrated. >.>

both chicken and pork are delicious if they got healthy and varied food when alive. if they didn't, then they never taste any good. which is why i rarely eat either, only way to know they'll be tasty is to raise them yourself

I like beef the best but i also eat chicken,fish,pork and veggies.

Well I donno about you, but this girl needs a big*** steak once in a while!

I was vegetarian for three years, and due to severe iron deficiency compounded with anemia (which I've had both of these conditions all my life, but the lack of meat made them a whole lot worse) it nearly killed me. I was very unhealthy.  Other people can do the whole vegan/vegetarian thing and not get sick, and that's awesome.  As for me, I can't.  I'll literally die. 

Turkeys and cows should avoid me, lol.     But chickens (for the most part) and especially pigs, they are safe.   

Sorry for rambling.  Just felt like sharing.   

turkey or beef
...i tried going vegan once...it didnt end well
(and i didnt gain any powers)

I've been vegetarian for 31 years (well, except I had a year's fish break in 1990) but since I've been on hormones, a craving for fish has appeared out of nowhere and is getting stronger every day.

I'm about to experiment with hemp protein powder to see if more protein/aminos is what's missing. It's keeping me awake at night .