Quote from: EmmaM on July 23, 2011, 01:31:38 AM
I have gained four awesome new girlfriends, and every one of my male friends stuck around. Equal acceptance.

New people are either oblivious or don't care. I only really get to socialize with other parents and scientists though, and I spend most of my spare time around the playground chasing my insane baby.

Edit: The language of your poll seems to suggest that I choose neither, as neither one is more accepting than the other. (Of course, I'm not huge on grammar anyway, and I may be wrong)

I think it sound like you find both more accepting  sorry the grammar is my fault i never have been great with English

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on July 22, 2011, 07:26:52 PM

It might also have to do with hand and feet size?    I saw a programme about Princess Diana's wedding dress and they showed her ballet flats which were a British size 10(American size 11).   Diana had big feet, but her feet conformed to the very narrow foot typical of genetic women.   Genetic males have a broad foot.

Wow!  I didn't know that! Princess Diana's feet were size 10!  I thought my feet were big at size 7!

i'm not mtf but I think girls often turn out more understanding,
I also have alot of accepting guys, but I tend to get way more annoying questions from guys.

I am not really qualified to say whether men or women are more accepting, as I don't know any males.  The only females that I am in regular daily contact with are my mother, sister and her friends.   Naturally my family are pro me, and my sister's friends either care for me or want to remain friends with her.

I say girls are

As an ftm, I've found guys tend to be more understanding and accepting than girls.  The girls tend to be horrified.  When it's come up about me being trans, I've had more than one girl be like "OMG, you want a penis?!"  They can't understand why I don't want to get pregnant, why I want a hysterectomy, why I want to get the chest appendages cut off.

Perhaps males are more accepting of FTMs because their default attitude is 'who wouldn't want to be male?'  Perhaps females welcome mtfs on the whole because they think 'who wouldn't want to be a girl?'

Genetic males might be less welcoming to FTMs who say that they are gay.   Heterosexual FTMs will find greater acceptance.   I wonder if genetic females automatically assume that we mtfs are attracted to men?

I have found both my male and female friends to be equally accepting...obviously I can't see inside their heads so I don't know exactly what they're thinking, but then who does.

On the subject of being clocked/read/whatever you want to call it...unless you are clearly mis-gendered the the chances are the person giving you an odd look hasn't clocked/read/whatever you want to call it you. There are lots and lots of reasons why people give other people funny looks and 95% have absolutely nothing to do about gender...I think that the more you worry about being clocked/read/what ever you want to call it, the more likely you are to react to an odd look in a way that really causes the person looking to re-evaluate what they see and you then end up being mis-gendered.

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on July 24, 2011, 04:43:12 PM
Perhaps males are more accepting of FTMs because their default attitude is 'who wouldn't want to be male?'  Perhaps females welcome mtfs on the whole because they think 'who wouldn't want to be a girl?'

Very good point.

Also, perhaps, just perhaps you understand, and ignoring potential sexual partner feelings, M-2-Fs are more accepting of girls and F-2-Ms are more accepting of boys for buds, thus their accepting aura is more likely to attract those persons.

Susan Kay

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 21, 2011, 12:35:22 PM
I don't agree. I've found women to generally be much more observant than men.

this a million trillion times. absolutely in my own experience and everyone i have talked to, women are more observant. i can walk into a mens room with visible breasts and not be noticed, but get funny looks in the womens by having short hair alone, as if they're trying to "figure me out".

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on July 24, 2011, 04:43:12 PM
Perhaps males are more accepting of FTMs because their default attitude is 'who wouldn't want to be male?'

the first person i came out to's first words were "welcome to the club bro"

I dont know where to put my answer on this cuz so for out of the ppl i have came out to the only one i have got a neg response from is my x girlfriend like when i got my navel done awhile back she is and still is the only one that has said anything neg about it and her fav thing to say is your weird or thats weird and i get it form her all the time but i mostly ignore her or leave when she starts talking to me like that when we have talked about it she say she was really hurt that i hid it from her for three years and really the only thing i have been able to say to her is i hid it from myself and family for 23 years its not like i was just hidding it form her i just wasnt ready to come out till i did this is also part (mainly) the reason she left me

My experiences...It feels like it ultimately comes down to the free-thinkingness, not always the gender of a cisgender.
My transgender friend warned me very early into my decision to accept my transsexuality that women are bad because they can pick me out as a transsexual and because that things will go down from there... D:! In my cisgender friend group, when I told them I'm glad that they were helpful, or something like that, they told me to be careful and that plenty of women are really unaccepting of transsexuals, and I just had a shot of luck to end up with a group that wasn't like that.  My friend in VA knew it was coming, and has a distressing fascination with how a mentality gets affected by transition. XD
As far as my male friends went, all of them were pretty accepting up-front and everything.  If anything, it's been something to open a better comfort zone, as much as I don't do any crossdressing or anything at my own expense... D:
Almost all the women at my work who know have been pretty cool about it, a couple found it interesting but they've been at least ok with it.  The men have not been gossiped to, so the couple that overheard about it have a very 'go for what you want' attitude.

On the other hand, it's been pretty much all women who haven't taken to me well so far.  My mother was of course the most significant woman hurt by this and at first was very mean, but when she was calmed down she realized how she reacted and apologized, but she's clearly uncomfortable with it and the next few weeks are gonna be preeeetty rough.  One of my managers takes me under her wing as a mother-figure in the workplace, and she reacted pretty badly too.  Finally, there's my ex-girlfriend.   She might be a denying FtM but she venomously opposes the idea of me transitioning despite 'being' best friends with an MtF already. (I have a state of disbelief that she's honestly so friendly with that MtF though.)  My transsexual friend and her teacher, both women, have not really accepted much of how I want to be as being a woman, mostly in the sense of romance-related.

And of course, finally me, yeah? x3 Even before accepting my transition, I have really been welcoming of whatever walk of life someone chooses.  It's just always been the right thing to do.  ---I always had a small half-joke that I could befriend a serial killer who wasn't busy trying to kill me, even.

Quote from: RyanThomas on July 24, 2011, 08:42:04 PM
the first person i came out to's first words were "welcome to the club bro"

Haha, knock the 'bro' off the end and you have the exact response I got from one of my female friends. Methinks Princess of Hearts might have a point.

I've experienced pretty much equal acceptance from my friends, with both males and females treating me well. I'd say on the whole the girls have taken more of an active interest in my transition, while the guys have been a little more "Cool, no problem! Now let's talk about something else" about it, but neither reaction is really better than the other. Though it's nice when people take an interest in something that will be a big part of my life for the forseeable future, it can be just as nice to have people not make a big deal out of it, and to be met with nothing but a change of name and pronouns and some subtle changes of conduct. I really couldn't ask for more of either my male or female friends, and though there have definitely been differences in their reactions, all that matters is that both have shown complete acceptance, and no end of willingness to treat me as a girl.

In terms of people I don't know so well, though... I've definitely seen more acceptance from girls. Boys I don't know generally range from showing begrudging tolerance to looking at me like I'm a freak, but I'm yet to have anything but warm, positive reactions from girls. When I came out the news spread like wildfire around our department, and I had tons of girls in my university that I had hardly spoken to before adding me on Facebook just to send me messages of support and offers of assistance with everything from makeup to bra shopping. Later on, when my friends organised a little coming out party on my behalf, a good eleven or twelve of said girls came along offering presents and hearty hugs. I'd be lying if I said I've been met with outright hostility from boys I don't know on any more than a few occasions, but the vast majority of unexpected helping hands and comforting words I've been offered since coming out have come from girls.

Girls maybe more accepting of us than males, but have you encountered Christian conservative Republican women?   I have encountered them only online and they are not accepting at all, at least they weren't to me.

So far I've not met anyone who was openly hostile, but women tend to be more understanding of it. Men tend to be more confused.

Both have been equally accepting as I prepare to move along with my transition, I will say that I inherently feel more comfortable coming out to my female family and friends... but both have been awesome.

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on July 29, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
Girls maybe more accepting of us than males, but have you encountered Christian conservative Republican women?   I have encountered them only online and they are not accepting at all, at least they weren't to me.

That's OK, I'm not very accepting of them either!

Susan Kay

I love for FTM to vote in survey posted by MTF but distictions need to be made in tabulations.  I find females "tend" to be more accepting of me than males.  I do find some females must have a bad hair day or just find me disgusting, likewise, I find some males very nice to me.  I also find myself more comfortable expressing myself around females so that I may influence females with my mannerisms.  Today I picked out some floral panties and pretty camis at store and a lady just had a big disarming grin on her face.  I had to smile.  Dudes tend to get annoyed at what appears to be a "dude" doing girly things. 

Now in reverse a pretty girl doing manly things might be a big turnoff for other women and they might say,  "My that girl is acting like a man!"   While guys might say, "Hey this girl is cool and is like one of us!"  Also a FTM might have some trouble relating to women and might share with men.
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Another generalization is that females tend to see me as trans and men tend to see me as "super gay"; however this is a generalization as I heard an old man tell his friend there is an old tran when I walked by.
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Finally one more distinction:  A big liberal city tends to be more accepting than a small rural town.  Wow I have traveled to a small southern town and women at convenience store were very vocal when I entered store.  My goodness did I feel uncomfortable from women of small town.  Men seemed to try to diffuse caddy remarks of women.

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Quote from: RyanThomas on July 24, 2011, 08:39:53 PM
this a million trillion times. absolutely in my own experience and everyone i have talked to, women are more observant. i can walk into a mens room with visible breasts and not be noticed, but get funny looks in the womens by having short hair alone, as if they're trying to "figure me out".

In my experience, I've found it to be a personality trait than a male or female trait. There are some men that pick up if anything is amiss while some women seem to be oblivious to it and visa versa. 

It's just that women are more open to commenting on a new haircut or clothes as a way of socializing, and the other stuff they find odd or dislike, is behind a woman's back.   

Guys do notice women very much, they check a woman out from head to toe, just aren't so interested in clothes or new nails etc. That's the big difference.