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Coming out to parents – Secondary roles and children (long)

Started by RuthChambers, February 19, 2007, 04:01:08 PM

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RuthChambers

This site already has great threads and Wiki entries on coming out to parents, more so than any other site I participate in. :) There is however, one drawback, in that they are normally TS based and I am not comfortable with those, so I have written down what I want to say, just like Kay suggested https://www.susans.org/wiki/Telling_your_parents

What I have written will not be relevant to most people here so please understand that while you make think this a load of rubbish there may be others who can relate to this.

My parents are divorced and my brother lives on the other side of the Atlantic so I am going to have to tell the same story to my Mum, my Dad and my mother in law and then my Brother, so I have to be consistent across time and distance.

I am telling my parents because my wife told her parents that my gender issues were part of the reason she is leaving me and they wanted to know if I had told my parents !!! The split is amicable, she is leaving me our house and  children. Our kids are away at college but still need our home as a fixed base until they settle down. My parents in law live just down the road from us and pop in and out and my children always call in to see them when they are home. (My parents in law reaction so far seems to have been to ignore it !!! but I am worried that they will speak to my parents)

Coincidence or not, all my children have decided that they want to move back home and one has already arrived, unpacked her bags and wanted to make a cake with me on Saturday :) It's changed my perspective, I can not now rely on my wife to look after the kids, I've got to do it, and in many ways I'm looking forward to it. There's a poem by Martha Benton "To my children", the last part of which is:

But soon you'll be standing waving,
As they go on their way.
To live their lives the way they want,
Leaving behind just memories of yesterday.

Oh, where have all the years gone--
What happened to those babies of mine?
I turned around a moment too long--
And now they've crossed the grownup line.

It's as if I have been given a second chance, to be with them, to hold them, to love them,   and make cakes with them :)

I drove south the other weekend to visit my parents and tell them what was happening. In the end I didn't tell them about Ruth, just the separation was enough for that visit and as I drove back home I had 6 hours to mull over what I would tell them next time.

I've never felt "a woman trapped in a man's body" and from early on used the Harry Benjamin definition of "Dual role ->-bleeped-<-" as the nearest appropriate pigeon hole. I agree with those of you who say to hell with definitions but my family has a right to an explanation.

From my earliest memories I have always been two people, me and my friend would play together, Monopoly was fun – we would cheat to beat the bank :) and at school we would talk to each other, which could be disconcerting to those around us, but when we reached puberty we realised that one was male and the other female and that got us into a lot of trouble and we ended up leaving that school. Fortunately my uncle helped me get into another school and every time I see him I always say thank you !! It gave me a fresh start and I locked my female character away, got on with life, qualified, married, had children and settled into "normal" life.

Until I reached my mid life crisis and everything went bad very quickly. I remember sitting at my desk staring at a pile of unpaid bills thinking there is no way out, except for a quiet voice inside my head saying "I can help – let me out"

So I went to see a women who ran a dressing up service and explained that I wanted to go back to the last time I had seen my "friend". She helped with the make up and clothes and said "I am now going to turn the mirror and I want you to tell me the first thing you think when you see your reflection" When she turned the mirror I said "OMG that's my sister, or what I think she would have looked like if I had a sister".

Consider a rowing boat with two oars side by side and two rowers rowing but not in time and just going round and round in circles, but if they row together they can row faster than one person on their own. Once I stopped fighting Ruth and let her out we worked together to sort out our problems and life got better. :) However, part of solving my own problems was telling my wife and children, which dumped part my problems onto them. Good for me not so good for them and after 3 years of trying to cope with Ruth my wife has had enough and is moving out :(

I've had counselling and found it very useful to help me understand myself but it is no cure. My gender issues were always there and will never go away. So all the time Ruth pushes and pulls, one step further, one step further, as she assert strives to assert herself. Her own friends, her own (non TG) social circle and plans for own employment, so the secondary personality becomes the primary personality and the male role diminishes and fades into the background.

Sunday was Ruth's day for visiting friends so I went to let my daughter know I was on my way out and when I would be back, she just looked at me with big sad eyes :(

So it's not my fault, it's not your fault, its not anyone's fault. If I had known as a teenager what I know now my path would have been very different, but then I would not have had three wonderful children and I feel that my children are for life not just for the good times.

I am trying to live with being pulled in two directions and just as I try to support and love my children, I ask that you support and love me.
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Gill

Hi Ruth:

I like this letter very much.  It tells of the battles that have been going on inside of you and the analogies you pick will help in the understanding of them.  Good job.

Gill
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gennee

Hi, Ruth. Thank you for writing this letter. It will definitely help those who struggle with sames you are going through. I am a ->-bleeped-<- who started dressing a couple of years ago at age fifty-six. My wife knows that I dress but does not totally support it. I'm happy that she knows however,

Ruth, letters like yours gives balance to the whole experience and the struggles. Remember, we're here to support you. 

Gennee
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

Blog: www.difecta.blogspot.com
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Steph

Hello Ruth.

Great post maybe I can incorporate it into the Wiki, or better still why not have a look at the wiki and see if you would like to try yourself.  If not I'll understand.

Steph
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RuthChambers

Quote from: Steph on February 20, 2007, 10:23:10 AM
Hello Ruth.

Great post maybe I can incorporate it into the Wiki, or better still why not have a look at the wiki and see if you would like to try yourself.  If not I'll understand.

Steph

Hi Steph,

I would prefer to wait until after I have told my parents. That way what I add to the wiki will have the benefit of my experience.

Ruth
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Steph

A sound idea.  Don't forget my offer, I'm always looking for Wikians. :)

Steph
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beckster

Heya Ruth, how ya doing hon ?

Sometimes I get a little teary eyed reading these letters as I can relate to what other people are saying and going through.  Your letter comes across as being both heartmoving and honest, both about how you feel about yourself and also those around you.  Hopefully things will go fine with your parents.

Oooh, I replied to your message btw so hopefully cya sometime on Saturday !!  :)

Becky
xx
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cindianna_jones

Ruth,

Your experience is not all that foreign to most of us.  Many of us have been through very similar experiences.  I too had a "special friend" growing up.  She's still in there and she keeps me up at night finding wonderful new things to do.  It hasn't always been like that... she used to push me to do "bad" things....

I too never felt "trapped in a male body".  The physical realtity was what it was.  But I wanted to be female with every fiber of my being. 

Do what you need to do to be happy.  I'm sorry for your break up.  That hurts no matter how you look at it.  My best to you.

Chin up!

Cindi
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Melissa

Nice Letter Ruth.

I don't think I used the word "trapped" the first time I described it.  I believe I said "a woman in a man's body" and then clarified it to "a lesbian in a man's body".  This was before I had ever heard the cliche, bu tI think if the word "trapped" is removed, it sounds more right for me.

Melissa
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RuthChambers

Quote from: Melissa on February 20, 2007, 06:37:14 PM
Nice Letter Ruth.

I don't think I used the word "trapped" the first time I described it.  I believe I said "a woman in a man's body" and then clarified it to "a lesbian in a man's body".  This was before I had ever heard the cliche, bu tI think if the word "trapped" is removed, it sounds more right for me.

Melissa

Hi Melissa,

Good point, on reflection that part is a bit superfluous and I will take it out, so that I talk about what I feel, not what I dont feel !!

Thanks, Ruth
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Melissa

By the way, I actually said that about 10 years ago.  I didn't know there was anything I could do about it and went back into denial until late 2005.

Melissa
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Ms Bev

Quote from: RuthChambers on February 19, 2007, 04:01:08 PM
while you may think this a load of rubbish there may be others who can relate to this.

Ruth.........

Anyone who can make me cry with a letter isn't sharing rubbish, my dear.  This heart-felt letter or parts thereof can only be viewed by most of us as near and dear to our own hearts and personal experience.


Wishing all the best to you Ruth,

Bev
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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RuthChambers

Thank you all for your comments and support.

Life can take some unexpected turns.

Today my Father in law was supposed to be going with my daughter and I to look at some cars (automobiles) for her. This morning on my way to the post office I met up with my Mother in law who explained that my Father in law had shingles and would not be able to go with us. I said I hoped that he would get better quickly and that we would call round later to see how he was.

I sent a text to my (ex) wife passing on the news.

We managed to find a car for her and on the way home drove round to my in laws so that my daughter could show her grand parents her new car, and found that my son was also there with his girl friend. So everyone is outside looking over the car and I am conscious that they all know about Ruth and after my laser session on Friday my face looks like I've been attacked by bees !!!

Everyone was oohh so polite, in a very British way. No mention of my (ex) wife or Ruth !!! but I could feel the tension.

So now I'm in a dilemma. Should I talk to my parents in law about Ruth, in the same way as I am planning to talk to my own parents, or would that alienate my (ex) wife who at the moment I am on good terms with and I want to keep it that way !!!!

Life can get complicated, Ruth
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HelenW

Ruth,

Your circumstance is somewhat close to what my spouse and I are struggling with right now.  In my situation my mom, who I came out to last August, lives quite far away and rarely sees us.  I live in the same town as my in-laws, however.  It's a fairly small place and it's our fear that they hear from some secondhand ignoramous that their daughter seems to be married, "ta some kinda ->-bleeped-<-got or sumthin."  Yet, on the other hand, my spouse is petrified about being rejected by her family and being isolated from them so that keeps us from telling them.  It also keeps me in the closet except when I leave town.

I think I'll just have to wait until my spouse is comfortable enough to proceed before I come out to her family.  And I think this is what you need to do too.  Talk it over with your ex and make sure you have her blessing before you tell her family.  Of course, it'll be a lesser shock to them since your ex has mentioned your gender issues to them and, if they live as close as you say, they will have to find out for you to make any transition progress.

This puts your continued progress into your ex's hands, however, so if you think she will use it maliciously to hinder you this might not be a great idea.  But the dilema certainly warrents your telling your ex, I believe, and asking how she feels about it before you go to your in-laws.

Good luck, hon'

Hugs & Smiles
helen
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Pronouns: she/her

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Ricki

I think very nice ruth!
Hunny says "GO with it"..
woof woof!
Ricki
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