Quote from: Zenda on July 31, 2011, 03:52:59 PM


Perhaps for some people the gun totting  Wild West myth lives on, as they play out their childhood fantasies     

Metta Zenda

Some of my people go into harms way every day so you have the freedom to sit in your candy ass and preach you psychobabble

Kate D

In high school And when I went into the RAF, I learned Aikido. My Sensei was Keith Hayward.  I didn't know until years later, that her was the British National Coach. I studied with him for 4 years and in the RAF I also began to learn Shotokan Karate. Since my left leg is pretty messed up, I am glad I learned Aikido.

Quote from: kate durcal on July 31, 2011, 04:09:34 PM
Some of my people go into harms way every day so you have the freedom to sit in your candy ass and preach you psychobabble

Kate D

Kia Ora,

Pray tell who "are" your people  Kate?

If you are referring to those of the Jewish faith, I can think of quite a number of "your" people who promote a lot of the so called "psychobabble" that you speak of...

Metta Zenda

I think some people should have guns and some would only be a menace to themselves with one. For myself, I keep several guns very close including a glock 17 and a 12 guage pump shotgun as well as several knives. When I was 18, a psycho kicked in my door and was walking in as I was chambering a round. He was carrying a 2x4 and was planning on using it but he saved his own life when he surrendered the 2x4 to my room mate.

Unfortunately for him that brings up a previous point that was made earlier about having your weapon used on you. My friend proceeded to beat him with said 2x4 and I got several good hits in with the stock of the 12g before we rolled him down the concrete stairs. Had he not put the 2x4 down and made a forward movement toward me, I would be telling a story of what happens when someone gets hit with a 12g slug at 4 feet away. I'm very glad he didn't force me to do that as I do not want to have to take someones life but had I allowed him further, I very well could have been killed or maimed for life.

As far as suicide goes, if someone is determined enough they want to die that they use a gun to the head, they would just find another way to do it.

Quote from: Zenda on July 31, 2011, 05:08:53 PM
Kia Ora,

Pray tell who "are" your people  Kate?

If you are referring to those of the Jewish faith, I can think of quite a number of "your" people who promote a lot of the so called "psychobabble" that you speak of...

Metta Zenda
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I am a USA citizen, and religiously a Jew . My people are the USA serviceman and servicewoman. people of many creeds and many religions, united by their oath to defend the USA constitution. 

KATE D.


Look, preach your religion, just do not disguise your beliefs as facts, and acept that other people have different belief that yours.

Quote from: kate durcal on July 31, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
Honey you yet have to meet some Sabras on a Kibbutz, true Jews!

Kate D

So now we jump from TransWars to JewWars. Who defines who the "True Jews" are?

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 31, 2011, 07:51:48 AM
American culture is f***ed up. I find the wild west mentality that everyone should have a gun to be disgusting.

What??? You never saw one of American Culture's great bumper stickers??? YOU CAN HAVE MY GUN WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!

Wow! We've gone from self defense to The Holocaust (I don't take it lightly either!) to DEADWOOD...what's next? TRANSWOOD?
(For those not familiar with the American Wild West, Deadwood, South Dakota was the epitome of a totally lawless town..it was in Indian Territory and belonged to no one...it also sat on top of the single largest GOLD strike in North America...fueled the Hearst Family's fortune, and is located approx. 30 miles from Sturgis, SD. Oh, HBO made it into a series also...)

Quote from: SandraJane on August 01, 2011, 01:35:58 AM
What??? You never saw one of American Culture's great bumper stickers??? YOU CAN HAVE MY GUN WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!

Ya, I've seen it. Your point? I think it proves my point.

I'm a bit lost... Is this the "let's argue about guns and religion" thread?   

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 01, 2011, 06:05:15 AM
Ya, I've seen it. Your point? I think it proves my point.

What? No sense of humor? This thread has now become the Trans "Right to Bear Arms" forum! We've covered quite a bit...Martial Arts, Guns, American Gun Culture & The Wild West (by the way, seriously, the Mexican border towns along the Rio Grande  ARE THE WILD WEST! I've got friends from that area the don't even go to Mexico anymore because of the drug cartel violence), bumper stickers, Israel, guns, etc.....

"let's argue about guns and religion"

Whoo there partner!  You be talking 'bout guns and religion like they were two different things or some other kind of crazy talk.  WWJL, What Would Jesus Load?  I'm thinking heavy, right?  At least .45?  No wimpy .9mm or .22 for our lord, nope, he'd want something with a little stopping power I bet.  Ahh, the many fine years I spent at Sts. Smith and Wesson High and at Our Lady of the Carbine Elementary school.

And the bordor deal is real and totally unreported.  It's really, really, really (I could go on with lots of reallys because they are cutting people's heads off and stuff like that, way over the top) bad.  Thousands of dead.  8,000 or so in just a couple of years.  But pay no attention to that.  Look!  J-Lo is getting a divorce.

And trans persons have the right to bare arms as much as they want.  They can even arm bears for all I care.  I'm not wild about everyone running around with a gun.

 What Would Jesus Load?

Ahhhh ya silly, everyone knows Jesus would be strollin' the ave. sportin' at least an M4 with a grenade launcher and what's up with J-Lo? Oh, the ho... and the bears muggin' folks in yellowstone park? what's this world coming to? It's all your fault

*Checks bra fit and lipstick in mirror*

Oh dear, I think we are drifting now.

the importance for me is to be aware of my surroundings and those around me

Any time you lose sight of this its' not going to matter what you're packing, the end will always be bad on some level.

I don't know about this... while I can see the importance of it, I've always been nonviolent to the point that violence makes me feel sick.  Literally, sick.  But I was beaten pretty badly by my stepmom as a child so I'm sure it all goes back to that.  I promised myself long ago that I'd never hurt another human being as much as I could help it.

The fact that I'm physically small and weak doesn't help much either.  I'm tall, but never had any strength.  At my best, I could max 60 pounds in a single bench press.

As someone from England, all this gun support sounds crazy. Shotguns and magnums...are they really necessary to defend yourself, or is it just for showing off?

Quote from: Angel On Acid on August 01, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
As someone from England, all this gun support sounds crazy. Shotguns and magnums...are they really necessary to defend yourself, or is it just for showing off?

It's not just for showing off. If you are the victim of something like a home invasion, the police will not be there in time to be of much help. There are people who have to live with pretty violent realities.

Quote from: Angel On Acid on August 01, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
As someone from England, all this gun support sounds crazy. Shotguns and magnums...are they really necessary to defend yourself, or is it just for showing off?

I share this response, as another Englander, but I also get that if you live in a country where having a gun in the house is as normal as having a rake in the garden shed, then there's a good chance you might be dealing with invaders with guns - in which case it doesn't surprise me that people feel the need to arm themselves in this way. Not surprised, but saddened. And it's becoming ever more common over here to see "person shot somewhere in England" in the news. It doesn't make me want to own a weapon, but then I didn't grow up in a culture that had already normalised personal weapons, and have never faced one.

Quote from: Angel On Acid on August 01, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
As someone from England, all this gun support sounds crazy. Shotguns and magnums...are they really necessary to defend yourself, or is it just for showing off?

Ideally, I will never have to draw down on someone.  But I very much prefer having the ability to protect myself should the need arise.  My personal weapon of choice was a Colt .40-cal that does not have a safety.  Point and pull, with no worries about whether a safety is engaged.  I also take pride in my ability to hit what I aim at... 

That being said, when I toured with a sport that provided me additional income, the gun was with me in the truck at all times.  As a single female traveling through the night, I would much rather have to explain HAVING the weapon if I was asked during a traffic stop than I would my parents get a phone call from law enforcement personnel that, if only I would have had a weapon...things might have been different.

We also kept a handgun in a drawer in my old office...you never know when a client or former client might turn problematic (and I have had occasion to send an email to someone giving a name and description in case things got out of hand). 

True, true...for those outside of the U.S. it is hard to understand, and it is scary that we find need of them here to protect ourselves and homes. I to have had to chase off a would be home invader before, and had to almost use one when some gangers started threating  me... and glad I had one with me on sveral occasions.

Ann O makes a good point of our attitude here of carrying guns in our vehicles...rather explain why I had it rather than someone explain to family that I didn't...or put another way, rather explain to a jury of 12 than be carried by 6.

WWJL, lol, he doesn't need one!