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The importance of being able to defend yourself physically?

Started by Fie, July 28, 2011, 07:09:15 PM

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Lisbeth

Quote from: V M on August 01, 2011, 07:14:34 AM
What Would Jesus Load?

Ahhhh ya silly, everyone knows Jesus would be strollin' the ave. sportin' at least an M4 with a grenade launcher and what's up with J-Lo? Oh, the ho... and the bears muggin' folks in yellowstone park? what's this world coming to? It's all your fault

*Checks bra fit and lipstick in mirror*


As you can see from the picture, Jesus sports an M-16.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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SandraJane

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 01, 2011, 03:14:12 PM


Hmmm, let's see... (left to right) Bush 43, Hitler (thought he had German Shepards), American Eagle, Nixon & Mao above deranged Fundamentalists, next two ??,
Nelson Mandela in prison, Tininman Square above French surrender at Dien Bien Phu (?), 1968 peaceful College demonstrators vs National Guard, Patriotic pinup gal above Senior being "frisked" by TSA, Ronald Regan, Blackhawk Up, Liberty & Justice, War Criminal DICK Chaney, another demonstration (US, China ?), looks more like Zig-Zag (and the AK-47 is the symbol of Revolution, M-16...Democracy, Lee-Enfield .303...Empire), Martin Luther King, Kent State 1970 above Nazi Concentration Camp garb with Pink Triangle for Gays, Lady Liberty callin...see all those Presidents were Republicans (yes Chaney included, think he was the "real" president).
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kate durcal

Quote from: Angel On Acid on August 01, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
As someone from England, all this gun support sounds crazy. Shotguns and magnums...are they really necessary to defend yourself, or is it just for showing off?

Dear Angel on acid,

Perhaps if the chaps were allow to sport some guns the crime in UK would be lower than that of the USA. Check the link below

"As far as total crimes per capita, peaceful New Zealand  , Denmark, Finland, United kingdom, rank higher than the USA. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita  "

Kate D
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Lisbeth

Very observant!
Quote from: SandraJane on August 01, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
above deranged Fundamentalists,
Members of the Westboro Baptist Church run by Fred Phelps.
Quote from: SandraJane on August 01, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
next two ??,
A card explaining the Nazi prison triangle system. A conservative political badge with a picture of "undesirables" being "detained."
Quote from: SandraJane on August 01, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
Patriotic pinup gal
Superimposed over the hallway of a prison cell block.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Maga Girl

In spain i can carry a gun if i live in dangerous zone XD  :police:
or prove i can be attaked

I was thinking in get one, but i'm clumsy, so i think i can kill myself accidentally  (or not) XD

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Padma

Quote from: kate durcal on August 01, 2011, 05:10:56 PM
Dear Angel on acid,

Perhaps if the chaps were allow to sport some guns the crime in UK would be lower than that of the USA. Check the link below

"As far as total crimes per capita, peaceful New Zealand  , Denmark, Finland, United kingdom, rank higher than the USA. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita  "

Kate D

...but if we're talking about serious crimes, like, say murder with/without guns, then:



(figures taken from here - admittedly 10 years old now, but still...)
Womandrogyne™
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Maga Girl

Quote from: Padma on August 01, 2011, 05:45:47 PM
...but if we're talking about serious crimes, like, say murder with/without guns, then:



(figures taken from here - admittedly 10 years old now, but still...)

You forget that USA is like +15 England & Wales or MORE  XD, damn is like EUROPA(continent) 

(spain,france,italy,rumania,etc...)
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kate durcal

Quote from: Padma on August 01, 2011, 05:45:47 PM
...but if we're talking about serious crimes, like, say murder with/without guns, then:



(figures taken from here - admittedly 10 years old now, but still...)

2010 data shows the USA per capita murders by firearms is 27 times more than that of the UK, but as far as intencional homicide the ratio decrease to 5 (US) to 1.5 (UK); still less in the UK than in the USA. Point conceded.

Kate D
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Padma

Quote from: Narela on August 01, 2011, 05:58:24 PM


You forget that USA is like +15 England & Wales or MORE  XD, damn is like EUROPA(continent) 

(spain,france,italy,rumania,etc...)

Completely irrelevant, as this is numbers per 100,000 of population, not numbers per country. So for every million people in the US, that's 29.7 gun murders, as compared to only 1.2 per million in the UK.
Womandrogyne™
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SandraJane

Quote from: Narela on August 01, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
You forget that USA is like +15 England & Wales or MORE  XD, damn is like EUROPA(continent) 
(spain,france,italy,rumania,etc...)
http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/6/861.abstract      http://fcx.sagepub.com/      http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/homicide.html   Some interesting links, if anyone is attending college you can probably access these publications online for free!

And what makes it worse it that the murder rate among certain groups in our population were substantially higher than others. In other words, in the  US gender and race do affect the numbers.

Narela, besides your Martial Arts background will do you nicely.

Lisabeth, thank you! The Nazi prison diagram, noted the Star of David but...same with the pinup, saw the bars...so the Dien Bien Phu one was correct, the dude in the middle background without a cover/hat kinda made me think... oh, what about the one in the upper right corner, white and black hands?

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SandraJane

Quote from: Padma on August 01, 2011, 06:51:24 PM
Completely irrelevant, as this is numbers per 100,000 of population, not numbers per country. So for every million people in the US, that's 29.7 gun murders, as compared to only 1.2 per million in the UK.

Elementary my dear Padma!
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Randi

Graphs and staistics are good if that is what you want to be concerned with. I am soley concerned that the world/the universe as a whole is a violent place-not just for us humans but for every organism or structure that lives/exists here. Things out in space are routinely ripped apart and reshuffled in very violent ways. Why should we expect to be any different?

There are extremes in everything including humankind and the natural order makes it this way. I happen to be one who abhors violence but can dish it out if needed-but only if needed.

Randi
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JessicaH

We have a lot of freedoms here in the US of A. The bad thing about freedom is that it's like a rope for a lot of people and if you give them too much, they will hang themselves. I can walk into Wal-Mart and buy a cart load of high power rifle ammo and no one would hardly notice. Probably think I'm just hording ammo or even more likely, they will go back to the sporting goods section thinking there may be a really good sale on ammo (stuff has got really expensive)!

Here, I can stroll into Cheaper Than Dirt and buy an AR-15 type rifle for $703 plus tax http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/13606-55.html and walk out the door with it in about 30 minuetes or less after a quick computerized background check. Now, if I take this weapon and load it and start shooting people there will be extreme consequences for doing so. Being in Texas, If you kill someone,  they will "kill you back". As one comedian put it, Texas even has an express line for covicted killers.

We can buy a combat knife and a slurpy at many convenience stores. The good thing for most law abiding citizens here, is that you have little chance of of getting shot. If you are not commiting crimes or hanging out with criminals, I would imagine that your chance of getting shot are slimmer than the average for Great Britain.

The average law abiding citizen here should worry MUCH more about automobiles since almost 34,000 people died on US roads in 2010.
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Randi

I will probably be chastized for saying this but I am of the opinion that if more people carried loaded projectile weapons the crime rate and number of rampant criminals would drastically go down because there would always be someone near that could keep them from getting away with it.
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Padma

I suspect that would just push up sales of fast semi-automatics amongst criminals :(. Arms escalation has a fairly well documented history, after all. But we can dream.
Womandrogyne™
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JessicaH

Ironically, the US 2nd ammendment was inspired by............................... The Brits  :laugh: It had nothing to do with home defense or hunting.
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SandraJane

Quote from: JessicaH on August 01, 2011, 07:52:43 PM
Here, I can stroll into Cheaper Than Dirt and buy an AR-15 type rifle for $703 plus tax http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/13606-55.html and walk out the door with it in about 30 minutes or less after a quick computerized background check. Now, if I take this weapon and load it and start shooting people there will be extreme consequences for doing so. Being in Texas, If you kill someone,  they will "kill you back". As one comedian put it, Texas even has an express line for convicted killers.

The average law abiding citizen here should worry MUCH more about automobiles since almost 34,000 people died on US roads in 2010.

Good point JessicaH, I'm in Texas also! Good price on the "Bushmaster"! So true, Texan's do shoot whether its first or back, and we are #1 for Executions. And vehicular deaths are too common. What's the #1 cause of death in Austin...I-35!
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Ann Onymous

Quote from: SandraJane on August 01, 2011, 09:08:21 PM
What's the #1 cause of death in Austin...I-35!

actually, I would have said East Austin (especially on the weekends) but yeah, I-35 gets its share, especially when you get closer to Ben White and other points south.

 
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JessicaH

Ok, much better. On to Defensive Driving! I rive I -10 almost everyday and if you don't watch out the big trucks WILL run you over!
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