It has been my experience that, speaking numerically, women are more accepting.  But the ones that are not, are much more hostile than hostile men.

However, that data may be skewed by women who hate me because I am prettier than they are.  If I was a hag, I might not get that.

Growing up I always had gal pals.  I think they don't have anything to fear from us, as they might from guys.  Even now I have gal pals.  Guys can sense something different about us and I think that it set their teeth on edge, they just don't seem to want to be associated with us as friends.

Hi Gina,
thank you for bringing up that point: ...if women do not like you, they do so with a passion. Thankfully they seem in the minority.

I never had such hostile reactions from non-accepting males, so I really agree with you.

I think you are right it has to do with jealousy, but in my case not with looks, rather with my "place" in life, and the perceived place of theirs.

My son's gf (and mother of his daughter) is such a case. She just hates it when he has a good rapport with me --- I'm always more important then her is her notion. He speaks about 2x a month to me! She acts a complete brat and utter bitch towards me, not easy to deal with for sure.
I think it has more then anything else to do with THEIR own insecurities. Something that WE can't fix.

Edit: Janet,
* they just don't seem to want to be associated with us as friends.*

It's very simple. They're afraid to be seen by themselves AND of course by others as having a gay inclination in being friends with "us".
NERVER MIND being a bf!
The more insecure in their sexuality the more that's the case IME.

Greetings,
Axelle

I have always found it easier to make friends with women than men, even before coming out.  Now that I am starting to come out to some of the people in my life, I'm finding that the women have all been very accepting and supportive, while the men tend to respond with a subconscious shake of the head. "Well....if that's what makes you happy..."  In fact, my female friends frequently respond to the news with a hug and "Oh! That explains so MUCH!"    I guess for all that I have a balding, male-shaped body and am pre-HRT, I don't pass very well as a guy emotionally.

I have not had anyone react poorly yet, but I do expect it with some family members.

I will also agree that, in my experience and from all I've heard frome tg friends, unaccepting women can often be far more vicious than their male counterparts.  Thank goodness they seem to be more the exception than the rule. 

from my experience both guys and girls were accepting (maybe I'm just lucky), well I transitioned right before college, so I guess guys by that age are pretty much mature, but I would say girls are a bit more understanding of it

Just a perspective from the FTM side: guys seem a lot easier.

For the 65 five posts it seems one thing is clear               If your a boy=boys accept you more and visa versa, but not always the case

Oh, just wait until you run into one of those "womyn born womyn" types that see you as a threat to all femininity.

Talk about an overreaction to the extreme.

I have chosen, neither

Girls think that we are GAY   

Quote from: Narela on August 03, 2011, 03:31:12 AM
I have chosen, neither

Girls think that we are GAY   

maybe your girlfriends not mine

Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 03, 2011, 04:03:19 AM
maybe your girlfriends not mine

I think they believe you're ''Super Gay''

Quote from: Narela on August 03, 2011, 04:28:34 AM


I think they believe you're ''Super Gay''

Thats a unjustified attack at me narela.  I dont think you have the right to tell me who you have never met that my friends you have never met either are lying to my face.

Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 03, 2011, 04:38:38 AM
Thats a unjustified attack at me narela.

Nop, this is the reality for all us , girls think that gay=trans trans=gay 

This is the reason I am against the union of transsexuals and homosexuals in the same motion (LGTB)

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,99819.0.html

Quote from: Narela on August 03, 2011, 04:46:06 AM


Nop, this is the reality for all us , girls think that gay=trans trans=gay 

This is the reason I am against the union of transsexuals and homosexuals in the same motion (LGTB)

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,99819.0.html

your just putting your own situation as everyone elses and assuming.

Actually, my female friends were really surprised when I told them I was starting to have feelings for guys. As a boy, I had never really shown any interest in anyone, male or female, so they were pretty shocked when I suddenly revealed that I might like to find a boyfriend someday.

Quote from: Eleanor on August 03, 2011, 06:39:40 AM
Actually, my female friends were really surprised when I told them I was starting to have feelings for guys. As a boy, I had never really shown any interest in anyone, male or female, so they were pretty shocked when I suddenly revealed that I might like to find a boyfriend someday.

Mine were also shocked about that lol 

Well, hormones open up the "gates of perception".
You now can see 'past your male nose' so to speak.

Men can be sexy (and dangerous) for a girl. Girl-on-girl is more 'fluffy', though nice too.

I was myself also quite rattled once I noticed some REALLY SEXY MALES.
I'd have put a bet on my mother's grave to be not gay.
I'm still not gay because gay males really bore me.
But yeah, no question there are some VERY sexy males about, AND WHAT IS WRONG TO TAKE NOTE AS A GIRL?!
No one says we have to turn out lesbians - only, or?

Axelle

Quote from: Narela on August 03, 2011, 04:46:06 AM


Nop, this is the reality for all us , girls think that gay=trans trans=gay 

I'm a girl and I don't think gay=trans.

Quote from: Narela on August 03, 2011, 04:28:34 AM
I think they believe you're ''Super Gay''

Too funny!  My "gaydar"not not work well but one mid-thirties older male friend was very effeminate and not trans called me "super gay" in teacher's lounge.  He had a big grin and I thought it rather humorous.  Students always called me "gay" since I worked in an inner city and they had no filters and no diplomacy. I tended to dress male; however, male clothes were feminine and female clothes were masculine.  Girls complemented my clothing and would say "Mr._ , I wear that sweater with leggins."   Boys shook their heads and mumbled "gay".  Girls were more accepting but both boys and girls liked me.

Sexual orientation is still confusing.  In my own way I do like company of ladies and to most part do not like advances of men.  Yesterday I was walking to store and a young muscular Hispanic man in twenties pulled along side in his pick-up truck and asked me "How you doing?"  He said some other things with a smile that I did not understand.  These are some of good things when you get old in that you can not see, you can not hear, and your judgement gets clouded.  Weird thing is I liked attention from good looking young muscular guy.  He probably said "Go to Hell" or "Do you want to go to Jail".  Hey it seemed like Hello and flirting!  I had a negative experience when I arrived at auto store in that store manager just left counter.

Overall most people are nice to me.  I know a lot of trans people and I have on occasion felt they were very belittling, condescending, and mean but on flip side a number go out of their way for me.  Brutal trans people were MTF not FTM.  That is opposite of what I would have expected since genetic females tend to be more accepting!

My sister just assumed that I was heterosexual.  In our sister chats she used to talk about 'hot boys' and say things like 'this is what boys like'.    She was being tactful and encouraging.   She was letting me know that it was okay by her if I liked boys without actually coming out and asking me and risking potential conflict and a lessening of sisterly solidarity.    She was giving me the opportunity to say ' oh hot boys are so scrummy. There is like this one boy who is like soooo cute.'   
  To be honest and potentially controversial, both my mother and sister were rather taken aback when they found out that I didn't like boys.   They said to me indirectly and in so many words 'you're a girl now its alright to like boys .'   I suspect that they think that I am still holding on to some small male part of me.   I think that there is some small truth in this.  Because I spent a lot of time being with boys and mixing with them, boys have no delicious air of mystery about them that I think attracts genetic females.   To girls, boys really are inscrutable, mysterious and this unknown quality, along with raging female hormones these things make boys highly attractive to girls.   Perhaps if I had been out 10 years ago and hung out with girls, I might be saying to my sister today' oh my goodness Johnny is so hot.  What can I do to get him to ask me out?'


What to you think of this?   Are early transitioners those who go through their actual teenage years as girls and being socialised as a girl more likely to be heterosexual?    Are we post teen transitioners who where never socialised as female more likely to be gay as a consequence?    You might argue that people are born heterosexual and homosexual and I believe that is true for genetic males and females who aren't transsexuals/transgendered.     I really don't know if this applies to us though.