To begin, I am not sure if this is located anywhere (or if it needs to be placed elsewhere) so please forgive me for either.

The common misconception I have seen by many people in America (straight men, gay women, general quiet people) is that gay males, transwomen and straight women's confidence is nothing more than being ornery and uptight especially in areas where chivalry still occurs (I have been walked over too many times just because I opened the door for the lady.)
Now, I am not sure which is minority and which is majority (because of the fact that confident people are most successful) but this also can extend to socially inept people because of the fact that they are alone, people will believe they are too good for them/too good for friends in general which brings us back to the beginning. Flamboyantly gay males tend to fall the same way as well which tends to get them beat up on occasion or possibly killed.
And while a lot of this misconception is caused by men, jealous women are almost more of a cause (to me) than men are which, ultimatly, causes them to take men on their arm just to show up other women causing any form of a classy woman to become extinct. All in all, this is just my experience with life to this day and so far, it looks grim for America. (And people wonder why American men get called cavemen heh.)


-Vale

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I don't think it's technically that, but perhaps that it's effectively that.  I mean, it seems like normal people group the three as one kind of person to deal with, as implied.
But...I think the thing is that these misconceiving people think that straight women are ornery (but only uptight as a more of resulting trait of being ornery), transwomen don't want to man up, and flamboyant gays are fascinated a kind of wrong way towards manliness.

I personally do not feel that this is a particularly American nature, though.  It's probably just more apparent because the American culture has gone through less years, so it hasn't settled into its citizens' minds the way other cultures have settled, by the time everyone started hitting the apparent revolution towards open-mindedness.  I would argue that Japan probably has it much worse with the stated mindset, since if I recall correctly, there is pretty severe sexism of women not really being able to go as far as easily as would a man. (Who would be expected to be the head of his family's bloodline.) I wouldn't be surprised if as much as their media makes it seem like they handle it ok and openly, that they are in fact pretty cruel about transsexuals. D:
I hear that supposedly Brazilian culture is supposedly receptive about transwomen (and probably ciswomen and gays?) but from what I can tell, it's hardly so friendly with transwomen, and probably not drastically better with straight ciswomen and flamboyant gays.

I don't know what you're talking about.  People are usually either patronizing toward transsexuals (oh, you're really a woman), or they find them disgusting (get away freak), or they make them horny (Mmmmm).  I can't think of any other response I've ever experienced. 

I tend to disagree with you Olive, well there are people out there who don't like us and will be rude, there are many more who totally accept us and treat us as they would any other person, male or female.

I don't fequent bars or clubs so I know nothing about them, but in the business world and in daily life I have been accepted and welcomed.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on August 08, 2011, 01:14:53 PM
I tend to disagree with you Olive, well there are people out there who don't like us and will be rude, there are many more who totally accept us and treat us as they would any other person, male or female.

I don't fequent bars or clubs so I know nothing about them, but in the business world and in daily life I have been accepted and welcomed.

But the people who treat us like anyone else don't HAVE a response to us.  That's my point.

Quote from: Sabriel Facrin on August 07, 2011, 05:17:52 PM
I refute your argument with ug, ug, ug-ug, ug! ^.^;;;
I don't think it's technically that, but perhaps that it's effectively that.  I mean, it seems like normal people group the three as one kind of person to deal with, as implied.
But...I think the thing is that these misconceiving people think that straight women are ornery (but only uptight as a more of resulting trait of being ornery), transwomen don't want to man up, and flamboyant gays are fascinated a kind of wrong way towards manliness.

I personally do not feel that this is a particularly American nature, though.  It's probably just more apparent because the American culture has gone through less years, so it hasn't settled into its citizens' minds the way other cultures have settled, by the time everyone started hitting the apparent revolution towards open-mindedness.  I would argue that Japan probably has it much worse with the stated mindset, since if I recall correctly, there is pretty severe sexism of women not really being able to go as far as easily as would a man. (Who would be expected to be the head of his family's bloodline.) I wouldn't be surprised if as much as their media makes it seem like they handle it ok and openly, that they are in fact pretty cruel about transsexuals. D:
I hear that supposedly Brazilian culture is supposedly receptive about transwomen (and probably ciswomen and gays?) but from what I can tell, it's hardly so friendly with transwomen, and probably not drastically better with straight ciswomen and flamboyant gays.

The only reason I use America as an example is because of how "free" it is compared to other countries. If I were to use this example with Japan, it could easily be refuted by stating that all women are oppressed and meant to be "in the kitchen" to begin with, which is only partially true. Japan already surpasses America in terms of technology but the government is still lacking a bit. Tokyo is becoming a prefecture of extraordinarily free enterprise were everyone has more freedom to do things including women but how the media perceives people is not my point. My point lies in how people perceive one another and the fact that those who live just down the street will call a kind, caring person arrogant for no reason at all. To give a better example in high school, my roommate was very alone. S/he had around two friends that s/he'd known since elementary school but they didn't really group together all of the time so, s/he was still alone. Well, s/he was in his/her language class and a few other girls walked into the class (these girls had been spreading rumors about my roommate across the school), and s/he went up to them and asked them why they spread rumors and avoided him/her and called him/her nasty names and they said "it's because you're a snobby stuck-up b*tch." At that, my roommate began crying and saying that none of that is true and that all he/she ever wanted was some friends and at that point, the girl who started the rumors felt really bad for her and apologized. That is the point I am trying to make. Not every gay man, woman, transwoman or anyone of feminine action is arrogant and in fact, they may be just as insecure as my roommate was but because they try to stick up for themselves (or not stick out at all) they get ostracized for it and thought of as high society snobs when that isn't normally the case.