another label; unfortunately we live in world full of them and our ranting about them isn't going to change a thing.  so, are you familiar with this label?  opinions?

Quote from: amsa.org3. Transgenderist
   

Transgenderist A transgenderist lives as the gender opposite their biological/anatomical sex, and may pursue various forms of hormonal and surgical intervention to adopt secondary sex characteristics of that gender, but does not seek gender reassignment surgery (vaginoplasty or phalloplasty - ).

Bi-genderists are most often considered transgenderists who live only part time as the gender opposite their biological/anatomical sex. Hormonal and surgical intervention are only as appropriate, if at all, as the degree the bi-gender individual cares to present physical characteristics representative of the opposite gender.

Androgynists (or androgyne) may or may not be transgenderists, but we will include them here because, like the above, they usually chose to forgo gender reassignment surgery. As the name implies, androgynists adopt an appearance that is gender ambiguous. This is possible without hormonal or surgical intervention in most cases.

Living as a transgenderist can be extremely challenging, especially from a social perspective. In addition, transgenderists who forgo a gonadectomy inevitably find themselves on relatively high and extended doses of reproductive hormones obtained to counteract those produced in their natal sex. The health implications of long-term hormone use are addressed in LGBTPM's TGHI Hormones Info and History and Physical pages.

transgenderist=non op transexual?

Perhaps.  I think that these sorts of articles are of interest to help us decide for ourselves how to deal with life.  I'll call y'all my sisters and brothers.  Y'all can decide what which it is.

Personally, I don't think along labelled lines.... sure, I'll think female or not male.  But many of the others don't ever cross my mind. I'm just too mellow about such things.

Cindi

Does this mean I should start calling myself a "transsexualist"?

I don't like that.  It's too close to "scientologist".  I am not a Xenu-fearing cultist.  I'm a gift!

~ Blair

Im witrh Cindi on this one, the topic here can and does cause us all to argue and who is what and what is who. Its good that it helps a lot us try and decide what the futor holds for us and which way we want to go but when your in this situation labels are just to much. Anyway how mwny people on the outside really know what any of these lables meen. When I tryed to tell my wife what I am and I used the word TS she got that mixed up with TV. I dont think it does us any good trying to stick lables on anything but on the other hand the disscusions are really helpfull to a lot of people...

QuoteAndrogynists (or androgyne) may or may not be transgenderists, but we will include them here because, like the above, they usually chose to forgo gender reassignment surgery. As the name implies, androgynists adopt an appearance that is gender ambiguous. This is possible without hormonal or surgical intervention in most cases.

As someone who identifies as androgyne, I disagree slightly with this definition. One can be an androgyne without expressing outward androgynous gender appearance. It is a recognition of ones nature.

Quotetransgenderist=non op transexual?

For the most part, the definitions of both seem pretty similar, however in all the years that I've been aware of the word, I've never met anyone who identified as transgenderist.

zythyra

I have met people who have identified as transgenderist.  It is more of a philosophy and many people who identify as such are non-op transsexuals, though there are some which are post op TS.  It is not a clinical term, but there are people who identify as such.

The best example of transgenderist is Kate Borenstein (Gender Outlaw, My Gender Workbook, etc). 

I will say if you meet a transgenderist, they are more likely to be younger and in an urban/college environment.  I would say the term is more common for those under the age of 30.  I came across the term all the time in the Chicago area.  It is basically a particular philosophical idea of being beyond gender...transgressively gendered.  Honestly...look into Kate Borenstein's books. 

The terms themselves save for the clinical ones can be location specific.  For example...genderqueer, not really used that much in Chicago, but used frequently in DC/Baltimore/Boston. 
 

Hmm, that's a term I had never heard before.  Upon hearing it, it makes me thing of a transgender rights activist.

Melissa

Quote from: Melissa on February 26, 2007, 11:49:37 PM
Hmm, that's a term I had never heard before.  Upon hearing it, it makes me thing of a transgender rights activist.

Melissa

There is quite a bit of accuracy regarding this.  These are people who are open about the fact they are transgendered and have turned there back on the concept of stealth to speak up on these issues in a public way, to bring awareness and increase legal rights and protections regarding gender identity.

Such as the right not to be discriminated with regards to employment based on gender identity.  The right to change ones birth certificate post-op...etc.  Stuff that is important. 

QuoteI will say if you meet a transgenderist, they are more likely to be younger and in an urban/college environment.  I would say the term is more common for those under the age of 30.  I came across the term all the time in the Chicago area.  It is basically a particular philosophical idea of being beyond gender...transgressively gendered.  Honestly...look into Kate Borenstein's books.

I've lived in a rural area for many years, perhaps that explains why I haven't met many people using the term. Early on in my own process I sometimes used the term to identify myself, but then it seemed to me that, in theory, the term implied that one was on HRT but not planning SRS. I have since moved on to use other terms to describe my place on the continuum. Mostly I'm tired of all these labels though, I am a human and my gender doesn't fit neatly into the binary two box system. That's the short version.  I love Kate Bornstein's books, have read them all.

zythyra