Quote from: Windmill on August 14, 2011, 10:32:25 PM
Yes!  This is something I think about a lot...and yeah, ppl never have a real good explanation for that diff 

he has xy chromosomes?? that's a pretty legit answer. though not all men technically do it's the defining characteristic...

Quote from: -Ryan- on August 15, 2011, 08:38:02 AM
he has xy chromosomes?? that's a pretty legit answer. though not all men technically do it's the defining characteristic...

Well if the chromosomes are it, then all transmen are SOL, surgery or not. There are also chromosomal abnormalities that can occur with the sex chromosomes. Klinefelter's (which is XXY), XYY syndrome, etc., so even chromosomes cannot be the defining criteria for "maleness". Not that it really matters anyway, since chromosomes are invisible unless karyotyping is done. My point is that sure there are some characteristics that most men have, but none of them can be used as black and white criteria, since not all men are going to have everything people use to define "maleness".

Not to throw a spanner into the works, but just can't help do share this.
And not to cause any offence I hope?

If a natal male looses his penis, at least in Germany, it be called: "Er ist entmannt"
(he's de-manned).
This incidentally is also used if a natal male loosed his testicles for some reason or other, but BOTH of them to be sure. 

I mention this adding some sort a realism. After all we do live in society that had these perceptions/rules? for thousands of years, and they not that easily overcome.

Axelle

I also consider myself a gay male, I will be going on T and having top surgery and getting all the inside bits taken out. But as for the actual vagina, it can stay. I'm not bothered about having a penis, I think at this point I would actually miss what I have now if I miraculously woke up with a penis one morning.

I'm not particularly interested in penetrating anyone, other than being curious about how it would feel. I'm very much a bottom in the bedroom.

My current partner has also shown me miraculous things can be done with my current plumbing so I'd miss that if it was gone

The one thing I would want a penis for is peeing standing up, I've never been able to get an STP to work all that great so I always just go ahead and use the stall when I go to the bathroom which isn't ideal, but meh, doesn't affect me all that much, I tend to avoid using public restrooms anyway, regardless of the trans issue.

Someone mentioned that not having a penis will cause you massive problems in the gay community, I'm certain that isn't true. It totally depends on the person. Sure if you are the type who goes to the seedy gay bars where the main objective is to hook up with someone in the bathroom then you're probably going to run in to problems. But the gay community as a whole isn't going to totally reject you for not having a penis.

I've dated a fair bit while presenting as male and when I've told them what I have in my pants it's generally been met with "oh....ok...fair enough!" - maybe a few curious questions but never disgust or rejection. Straight women I've hit on have not been bothered either (experimenting, decided I didn't like girls after I tried it )

Straight men I've had issues with - but that's from them hitting on me thinking I was a girl, they wouldn't have bothered in the first place if they knew I was a transguy. It's more a reaction of "oh, you're a dude? we can't get it on then? *huffhuffsulk* c'mon I can make you feel like a woman! got a vagina right? that'll do!"

Lesbians have also gotten a bit nasty with me after I've said I'm not a lesbian, I'm a transguy. Lesbians seem to hate us o_o like we're betraying the sisterhood

I'm aware this doesn't apply to everyone, but this is what I've experienced

Quote from: hexr on August 16, 2011, 01:46:09 AM
Well if the chromosomes are it, then all transmen are SOL, surgery or not. There are also chromosomal abnormalities that can occur with the sex chromosomes. Klinefelter's (which is XXY), XYY syndrome, etc., so even chromosomes cannot be the defining criteria for "maleness". Not that it really matters anyway, since chromosomes are invisible unless karyotyping is done. My point is that sure there are some characteristics that most men have, but none of them can be used as black and white criteria, since not all men are going to have everything people use to define "maleness".

^ Second this; sorry for piggy-backing hexr.

Quote from: hexr on August 16, 2011, 01:46:09 AM
Well if the chromosomes are it, then all transmen are SOL, surgery or not. There are also chromosomal abnormalities that can occur with the sex chromosomes. Klinefelter's (which is XXY), XYY syndrome, etc., so even chromosomes cannot be the defining criteria for "maleness". Not that it really matters anyway, since chromosomes are invisible unless karyotyping is done. My point is that sure there are some characteristics that most men have, but none of them can be used as black and white criteria, since not all men are going to have everything people use to define "maleness".

not all trans people are sol. i have xy chromosomes... i am a man. i don't know how i would have turned out with a different set of chromosomes. i know that there are people with different arrangements who are still men, and i said so in the post you quoted.

Quote from: -Ryan- on August 16, 2011, 09:33:50 AM
. i have xy chromosomes

So do you have an intersex condition then?

Quote from: Matthew J. F on August 13, 2011, 04:09:22 PM

I don't mean to disrespect anyone here who had bottom surgery but after seeing some of the photos of bottom surgery It's safe to say that the penis does not look realistic at all, as what Quicksand said, and I honestly don't want to be saving up a lot of money just so I can have an unrealistic penis.

No, that is not safe to say the results "don't look realistic.   And if you need to start something with "no disrespect" you really shouldn't say it.  Have you seen every photo of every phallo done? probably not because a lot of people don't put pictures up because of the negative most everyone who sees a phallo picture says. There are guys on here who have had bottom surgery, and I mean phallo, and they don't need to hear that.  If it's your view that bottom surgery looks "unrealistic" that is fine but please keep it to yourself instead of shaming others.

Quote from: Andy8715 on August 16, 2011, 01:28:11 PM
So do you have an intersex condition then?

yes i have a chromosomal abnormality and deformed gonads

Quote from: Andy8715 on August 16, 2011, 01:41:08 PM
No, that is not safe to say the results "don't look realistic.   And if you need to start something with "no disrespect" you really shouldn't say it.  Have you seen every photo of every phallo done? probably not because a lot of people don't put pictures up because of the negative most everyone who sees a phallo picture says. There are guys on here who have had bottom surgery, and I mean phallo, and they don't need to hear that.  If it's your view that bottom surgery looks "unrealistic" that is fine but please keep it to yourself instead of shaming others.

seconded. and for the record i have seen some AMAZING phallos. if you don't want it don't get it, but offending someone else's surgery is pretty rude.

Andy has a right to his opinion as do any of you. To him, the pictures did not look realistic. He has every right to say so and I would be rather disappointed if I only heard that the phallo's all looked real when they don't. Ease up guys.

Quote from: LordKAT on August 16, 2011, 03:41:42 PM
Andy has a right to his opinion as do any of you. To him, the pictures did not look realistic. He has every right to say so and I would be rather disappointed if I only heard that the phallo's all looked real when they don't. Ease up guys.

I think you meant Matthew.  I wasn't criticizing anyone's surgery results.