Recent Ruling Supports Inmate's Sex-Change Claim

By Winston Gieseke   Posted on Advocate.com August 18, 2011 02:00:00 PM ET

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Does a convicted murderer have a legal right to a taxpayer-funded sex-change operation? A recent appeals court ruling suggests the answer might be yes.

"According to court papers filed by Kosilek's lawyers, the convicted murderer suffers from terrible stress and anxiety while she waits for a resolution of this case.'"

I wonder what their wife felt when they murdered her or what her family was left feeling after this person murdered their daughter?




I just see the $$$ adding up... to me all this means is social services for law-abiding citizens will be cut in order to supplement a criminal.  On a sarcastic note, I wonder if he's bankrupt and needs a federal bail-out?  I hear they're just giving those out to crooks and scumbags.

Hmm actually asked which gender cell mates I would receive.  They told me if I got males I would be raped.  If I got females I would be abused.  Guess I better stay out of jail.

I do not support government funding of anything except military, roads, education and technology.

That means no social security, no unemployment checks, no health care, no food stamps, and a whole lot less government.  We would not be bankrupt!

Ironically, I believe this person is actually an MD, made a fortune doing Laser Hair Removal, was either seperated or in the middle of a divorce when they murdered their wife. Jealousy, found out she was having sex with a construction manager working on their home.

Quote from: SandraJane on August 18, 2011, 08:48:35 PM
Ironically, I believe this person is actually an MD, made a fortune doing Laser Hair Removal, was either seperated or in the middle of a divorce when they murdered their wife. Jealousy, found out she was having sex with a construction manager working on their home.

No problem.  Do a free laser penis removal.  Burn thing off and then put her in female prison.  Think those big girls will accept her?  Think again.  Not big fan of spousal murder.

I think it should be allowed, not for the sake of this guilty person, but for the sake of those wrongly accused. Would you want to have to stop your transition because you happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

And trans people should have their own prisons. I can't think of much worse for myself than being stuck in a men's prison.

Quote from: Lily on August 18, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
And trans people should have their own prisons. I can't think of much worse for myself than being stuck in a men's prison.

There are nowhere near enough to justify the expense of building AND staffing a completely separate facility, not to mention the extremely horrible precedent it would set as pertains to separate but equal.  Prisons are costly...I remember the figures when we had the expansion between roughly 1987 and 1994 that took us from 35K beds to more than 150K beds...

The reality is that, even in the large States, you don't have hundreds and hundreds of people who entered prison as either pre-operative or post-operative transsexuals.  And it has been shown on more than one occasion that pre-ops can safely be housed in the safekeeping custodies that are used with gay inmates (which is a general population housing status, not the 23-hour AdSeg or solitary confinement that some continue to perpetuate the myth of). 

My god, Texas even had a policy on the books in the late '80s that addressed continuity of care for persons entering custody who had been on medically managed hormonal treatment for transsexuality.   

Quote from: Lily on August 18, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
I think it should be allowed, not for the sake of this guilty person, but for the sake of those wrongly accused. Would you want to have to stop your transition because you happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

And trans people should have their own prisons. I can't think of much worse for myself than being stuck in a men's prison.

I'm sorry but that train of thought is why the justice system blows so hardcore right now.  Since people like you think that because there is a chance of the -wrongly accused- we should reward the MILLIONS of convicted felons that deserve to rot in hell for it.  That train of thought with the bleeding hearts causes so many stinking problems that there are no words.

That person voided their rights the moment they became a selfish lil prick that decided only what they wanted mattered.  They shouldn't get healthcare, decent food, cable options, nothing.  They should have bars and concrete that's it!

Quote from: Korlee on August 19, 2011, 11:13:36 AM
I'm sorry but that train of thought is why the justice system blows so hardcore right now.  Since people like you think that because there is a chance of the -wrongly accused- we should reward the MILLIONS of convicted felons that deserve to rot in hell for it.  That train of thought with the bleeding hearts causes so many stinking problems that there are no words.

That person voided their rights the moment they became a selfish lil prick that decided only what they wanted mattered.  They shouldn't get healthcare, decent food, cable options, nothing.  They should have bars and concrete that's it!

The day that people showed more pity and sympathy for a serial rapist than the twelve year old girl he raped and butchered....that was the day I lost faith in humanity and justice.   

So if this becomes law, then the easiest way to surgery is get convicted of a crime and force the state to pay for your surgery.

Geez.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on August 19, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
So if this becomes law, then the easiest way to surgery is get convicted of a crime and force the state to pay for your surgery.

Geez.

Can I get a six month sentence for petty crime, get surgery and come out after I heal from good behavior and then spend money I stole that gave me six month sentence?  Yes another best selling book, "How I spend America's money before America went bankrupt".

Quote from: wendy on August 18, 2011, 07:45:29 PM
Hmm actually asked which gender cell mates I would receive.  They told me if I got males I would be raped.  If I got females I would be abused.  Guess I better stay out of jail.

I do not support government funding of anything except military, roads, education and technology.

That means no social security, no unemployment checks, no health care, no food stamps, and a whole lot less government.  We would not be bankrupt!

people pay into social security and for unemployment and for health care and taxes to support people who need food. your crazy to think that we should go back to pre social security days.. you think its tough now wait til no one has any help or payback from the work they do.. also imagine all the people who are disabled! They need to survive and not be left to begging on the streets..  Oh your probably one of those conservatives who only cares for themselves.. 

Yes the convicted person in jail doesn't deserve to get anything more than a hot and a cot and they should all be made to work too. Bring back the chain gangs would be great. Cleaning up roads etc as they do still in many states

Quote from: M2MtF2FtM on August 19, 2011, 12:16:23 PM
people pay into social security and for unemployment and for health care and taxes to support people who need food. your crazy to think that we should go back to pre social security days.. you think its tough now wait til no one has any help or payback from the work they do.. also imagine all the people who are disabled! They need to survive and not be left to begging on the streets..  Oh your probably one of those conservatives who only cares for themselves.. 

Social Security Fund is a receipt system that pays its money out for whatever government wants and government gives itself an IOU.  It should be called Social Security Welfare system.  When it was founded it was initially not popular.  Now it has trouble collecting enough money to "make payroll".

We pay for medicare but not health care with taxes.  What a mess medicare is.  That will continue to get more expensive.

I better stay healthy with Obama care.  Think U.S. government can manage healthcare?  You have not seen taxes.

United States Government is facing bankrupcy.  It debt rating was lowered because its ability to repay is deteriorating.

When U.S. government collapses we will have double unemployment and food prices will increase and homes will lose value. 

Founding fathers wanted government to provide military, roads and some basic services.  They actually thought duties should pay for expenses to manage federal government.

Do you think raising taxes on rich will solve fiscal problems?  Rich create jobs and will invest somewhere else like China.  Of course government can create more jobs and be more inefficient.

I believe you volunteer your time and money to help other people.  United States people are most generous in world and that is good. 

It is fine for federal government to help a little for some level of hardship but not for everything.  We can not afford it.  I do feel people's rights should be protected.  I do feel a hard working transgender person should not be fired because they look different.  I don't want a handout I just would like to not get fired because I look different.  That seems reasonable.

Hey I just created a job for me.  I had to pay thousands to a urologist for a Novocaine shot and her surgical skill.  I asked her to slow down so that Novocaine would take hold.  It actually hurt since she cut them off too quickly.  Insurance doesn't pay for transgender issues.  Now for my new job so that I can again join ranks of employed.  I provide Novocaine, knife, and cauterizing iron for all male murderers that want to be females and go to female prison.

Quote from: wendy on August 19, 2011, 01:21:55 PM
Do you think raising taxes on rich will solve fiscal problems?  Rich create jobs and will invest somewhere else like China.  Of course government can create more jobs and be more inefficient.

Under the past 10 years of Bush tax cuts, from which the rich greatly benefited, numerous of these jobs were outsourced to India, China, etc.

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That will continue to get more expensive.

And the dirty little not-really-a-secret reason that it gets more and more expensive is that more and more people are living longer and longer.  Now, if that really bothers you, I do have a way that you could contribute to a solution.  Right.  See, no one wants to volunteer to really help change the situation.

QuoteI'm sorry but that train of thought is why the justice system blows so hardcore right now.  Since people like you think that because there is a chance of the -wrongly accused- we should reward the MILLIONS of convicted felons that deserve to rot in hell for it.  That train of thought with the bleeding hearts causes so many stinking problems that there are no words.

I assume you have never been wrongly convicted of a crime, and have not been beaten/raped by prison guards for it? (not to mention losing your house and job)

You should think of things from their point of view. It is not a pleasant thing.

QuoteThat person voided their rights the moment they became a selfish lil prick that decided only what they wanted mattered.  They shouldn't get healthcare, decent food, cable options, nothing.  They should have bars and concrete that's it!

Are you aware that those who are convicted of a non-violent "crime" (which itself is an absurd concept, but society is absurd and our system reflects that) are, after released, far more likely to commit violence?

American prisons break good people. It is why the repeat offender rate is so much lower in countries like Norway where prisons are humane. If you treat people like animals, they will become animals.

QuoteYes the convicted person in jail doesn't deserve to get anything more than a hot and a cot and they should all be made to work too. Bring back the chain gangs would be great. Cleaning up roads etc as they do still in many states

Prison slavery is wrong because it puts honest people out of work. There are plenty of good unemployed people who would love to pick up trash on the roads. The economy is bad enough as it is.

Quote from: Lily on August 19, 2011, 03:30:26 PM
I assume you have never been wrongly convicted of a crime, and have not been beaten/raped by prison guards for it? (not to mention losing your house and job)

You should think of things from their point of view. It is not a pleasant thing.

Having worked with the Innocence Project on more than one DNA-related case, I can assure you that the issues of 'wrongful conviction' are nowhere near as rampant as you make them out to be and I am not even sure I need one finger to count the number of transsexuals who were arrested AND convicted of a charge for which they were factually innocent. 

And the violence you describe is, again, nowhere near as significant an issue as you appear to allege...and I have worked in and around some of what are considered to be the worst facilities in Texas (not to mention have clients in facilities all over the State).  Are there abuses?  Sure.  Are they endemic to the system?  No.

And no, I am not someone who is going to re-think my concepts or expectations of a criminal justice system for the minuscule portion of a population who MIGHT have been wrongfully convicted...

QuoteAre you aware that those who are convicted of a non-violent "crime" (which itself is an absurd concept, but society is absurd and our system reflects that) are, after released, far more likely to commit violence?

Reality does not bear this out.  People are released every day after serving sentences for non-violent offenses who return to society never to be heard from in the criminal justice system ever again. 

Quote from: Ann Onymous on August 19, 2011, 03:46:32 PM
And the violence you describe is, again, nowhere near as significant an issue as you appear to allege...and I have worked in and around some of what are considered to be the worst facilities in Texas (not to mention have clients in facilities all over the State).  Are there abuses?  Sure.  Are they endemic to the system?  No.

I've heard from more then one (reliable) source that what you seen on the average documentary is the inmates showing off for the cameras.  Most of them, actually, just want to do their time and get released.  They certainly don't want to do anything that risks them staying longer then they have to.

Quote from: Zythyra on August 19, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
Under the past 10 years of Bush tax cuts, from which the rich greatly benefited, numerous of these jobs were outsourced to India, China, etc.

Yes and Obama's jobs are more government jobs and people that no longer qualify for unemployment are not counted in unemployed numbers.

I hope rich become richer because rich people create jobs not poor people.  I do occasionally work for poor people.  I volunteer for Habitat for humanity and help build houses for poor people and my children volunteer too.

Big American companies outsourced jobs to China and India and Mexico.  Most of businesses creating new jobs employ less than 10 people.  Big outsources include AT&T, GE, Equifax and other companies with large labor pools.

Let the entrepreneur keep a few bucks for investing their capital.  That is called capitalism.  However if we raise taxes on rich as Obama wants it will not solve rampant growing government.  Rich frequently pay 30% of their income in taxes.

I have actually heard poor people say why are we not getting tax credits when they owed no taxes.

I am not a Bush fan or an Obama fan as both spend too much.  I am tired of Republican stand on LGBT issues and I am tired of Democrats free spending.  Stop crazy spending and allow people to live their lives.

I am also against death penalty because it costs too much in legal fees to kill someone.  Just toss murderer in cell for rest of their life and hire me to give whoever wants a sex change. 

I got a new idea.  Let's outsource prison system to Saudi Arabia. As long as you are MTF that likes men you can have free SRS but it is against law to like woman if you are a woman in Saudi Arabia.  I do not think woman have many rights in Saudi Arabia.  I think punishment in Saudi Arabia is eye-for-eye.  Let's let Corporate America solve outsourcing details.  I think free SRS for outsourced Saudi prison system is easy sell but I outsoucred my newly created job.

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Yes the convicted person in jail doesn't deserve to get anything more than a hot and a cot and they should all be made to work too. Bring back the chain gangs would be great. Cleaning up roads etc as they do still in many states

Quote from: Lily on August 19, 2011, 03:30:26 PM
Prison slavery is wrong because it puts honest people out of work. There are plenty of good unemployed people who would love to pick up trash on the roads. The economy is bad enough as it is.

cleaning up roads is not slavery. Sitting in prisons doing nothing but eating and staying locked up is more inhumane in my view. Many many yrs ago i did spend some time in jail for a misdemeanor. I had actually asked the judge to lock me up because i had a drug problem. My public defender was shocked.  However, some in there did get to go out and work the roads and that built up a good hard work ethic. It was designed that you had to be good to be allowed to go to work. Thats silly everyone should have to go to work for their health let alone their sanity. Chain gangs that abuse, no they are never good and cause people hatred etc.. but forcing any prisoner whether guilty or inocent to work is not wrong at all. Its good for people to work..