Hello,
I would like to have your opinion on pregnant transmen.

I don't want to be rude, but I'm against it.
Why do you want to get pregnant when you want to be a man? It's the most feminine thing you can do, including breast growth, wider hips and a lot of female hormones.
I don't think any guy in the world (who isn't mtf) wants to get pregnant and give birth.
And if you really want a child, there's adoption, surrogate mothers etc...
I just don't understand that some ftms want to use their female reproductive organs.

This is my opinion, I don't want to offend anyone.
What do you think, are you for or against it?

Ok, first of all, most FTMs that get pregnant do it to keep the genetics in the family, you can't do that if you adopt.

Second of all, most doctors REFUSE to remove the uterus and/or eggs unless a woman has had at least two kids, as it's considered "unethical" to remove a "perfectly good reproductive system just because you want to be a man"

Third: Accidents happen

Fourth: I know TONS of cisgendered, straight men who would love to get pregnant just to know what it feels like first-hand. So your statement that no man except MTFs wants to get pregnant is bull->-bleeped-<-.

The only reason I don't want to get pregnant is because it wouldn't be fair to my children.

How one person defines themselves is up to them. FtM doesn't translate to every single one of us wanting to be completely biological, genetic male who can only reproduce a certain way. To some, yes, being FtM means that's what you want. But for others being a transman has a different meaning and they want something else for their life.

Personally, I would never want to go through with it. I would love to know I could get a woman pregnant and father a child, but I'm also perfectly happy knowing I won't ever biologically reproduce.

But I won't go and say that in order to be a "real" FtM you have to be exactly like me, or you have to be exactly like a biological male.

It's perfectly understandable not to understand, but it's wrong to look down on someone or question their identity based on what you can't understand.

Quote from: VakarianPride on August 24, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
Fourth: I know TONS of cisgendered, straight men who would love to get pregnant just to know what it feels like first-hand. So your statement that no man except MTFs wants to get pregnant is bull->-bleeped-<-.

Also, this ^.

Even if you a biological male, you don't know what every biological guy thinks and feels. You can't speak for half of the world's population.

Frankly, I don't understand why ANYONE would want to get pregnant. Obviously, I still have issues to work through.

Having done a lot of thinking about this and having read quite a lot of science fiction that plays with gender, sexuality, and, yes, reproduction, I realize that other people's choices are not my choices. What's right for them is not right for me. So, while guys like Thomas Beatie who PLAN to get pregnant give me the heebie-jeebies, I try not to judge their authenticity by those choices. It's bloody hard, and I'm not quite successful.

But think of this: A lot of folks tell us that because trans men don't have regular-size natural-born penises, we aren't real men. A lot of folks say that trans women aren't real women because they were born with a penis--or because they still have one. Is that different from deciding that a trans man who has a baby isn't a real man? If so, how? If not, why not?

Quote from: comatose on August 24, 2011, 02:25:39 PM
Hello,
I would like to have your opinion on pregnant transmen.

I don't want to be rude, but I'm against it.
Why do you want to get pregnant when you want to be a man? It's the most feminine thing you can do, including breast growth, wider hips and a lot of female hormones.
I don't think any guy in the world (who isn't mtf) wants to get pregnant and give birth.
And if you really want a child, there's adoption, surrogate mothers etc...
I just don't understand that some ftms want to use their female reproductive organs.

This is my opinion, I don't want to offend anyone.
What do you think, are you for or against it?

You are saying a lot of f'd up stuff here.

1.  wanting to reproduce is a natural thing and some of us want to have kids that are genetically ours.
2.  there are a lot of cismen out there that would love to be able to have a pregnancy.
3.  MTFs aren't men they are women
4.  everyone's experience is different.  there is no one way to be a man who also happens to be trans. 

Quote from: Andy8715 on August 24, 2011, 02:44:22 PM
You are saying a lot of f'd up stuff here.

1.  wanting to reproduce is a natural thing and some of us want to have kids that are genetically ours.
2.  there are a lot of cismen out there that would love to be able to have a pregnancy.
3.  MTFs aren't men they are women
4.  everyone's experience is different.  there is no one way to be a man who also happens to be trans. 

you are entitled to your own opinion but please don't go around spewing hate on people who do or want to do things you can't understand.

Dude, he's not spewing hate. Spewing hate would be him coming on here saying we're ->-bleeped-<-ed up. He's asking a legitimate question because he wants to understand.

He could have phrased it far better than he did. There's a difference between being curious and being cruel.

Quote from: Synkronic on August 24, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
Dude, he's not spewing hate. Spewing hate would be him coming on here saying we're ->-bleeped-<-ed up. He's asking a legitimate question because he wants to understand.

I'm so glad someone pointed this out. I don't think he was being cruel, I'm fairly certain he was just expressing an opinion. Can we not attack people for what may or may not be considered poor phrasing, please? =/

Personally, I wouldn't want to get pregnant even though I really want to be a dad. I may donate my eggs and have a surrogate, but I personally wouldn't want to be pregnant because I think it would increase my dysphoria because it shouldn't biologically be possible (in my mind, obviously the physicality is still there). However, I do want to be a dad and I'm a little disappointed that my child will, in all likelihood, not biologically be my child. I can totally see other guys wanting to do this, and whether they do or not isn't much of my business, but I personally don't understand why a guy (cis OR trans) would want to be pregnant when surrogacy and adoption (or, if they're with a female, they could be pregnant) are also options.

Quote from: Synkronic on August 24, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
Dude, he's not spewing hate. Spewing hate would be him coming on here saying we're ->-bleeped-<-ed up. He's asking a legitimate question because he wants to understand.

You're right.  I changed my post.  This is just a sensitive issue for me.

My opinion is that people can do whatever they want with their bodies.

Is it really your place to be "against" it? If it's not for you, it's not for you. But, why should you really give a crap if another FTM wants to do it? How's it hurting you in anyway?

I don't think anyone, including women, really want all the things that go with pregnancy, they just want a child that shares their DNA. I bet most FTMs that decide to get pregnant would rather be able to father a child the way any cis guy could, but they have to work with what they got. Wanting a child isn't intrinsically a feminine thing to do. Most FTMs have already struggle with breasts, hips, and female hormones, they may not want these things increasing, but their want for a child outweighs that.

MTFs aren't guys. I bet a lot of guys would like to have the special connection that mothers and their babies have. Some guys really want a child, even if it means they would have to go through the pregnancy like a woman.

Adoption isn't an easy process and some people want to have their own biological children. Going the surrogate route opens a whole other can of worms. Even if you found a willing surrogate, who says she wont decided to get an abortion, or decided she wants the child.

It's pretty simple why they use their female reproductive organs. They really want a child that is biologically theirs, and they have to work with they got.

For myself, I am highly against it. That is all I'm saying on the matter.

Just my input, but I would rather give birth than father my children, but it's not because it's "the womanly thing to do" or whatever.

I agree that people can do whatever they want, but I don't want children. Period. People have a right to do whatever they want with their bodies. This goes for women AND men. If someone wants to carry a child, so be it. I'm personally choosing not to.

Sorry, I didn't want to be rude and I may have expressed some things wrong. But English is not my mother language so sorry for my grammar mistakes.

Quote from: VakarianPride on August 24, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
Third: Accidents happen

Fourth: I know TONS of cisgendered, straight men who would love to get pregnant just to know what it feels like first-hand. So your statement that no man except MTFs wants to get pregnant is bull->-bleeped-<-.

I wasn't talking about accidents - I was talking about ftms who WANT to get pregnant.

And okay, there may be some cisgendered men who would love to get pregnant. But, I don't think there are many of them.

Quote from: Arch on August 24, 2011, 02:42:51 PM
But think of this: A lot of folks tell us that because trans men don't have regular-size natural-born penises, we aren't real men. A lot of folks say that trans women aren't real women because they were born with a penis--or because they still have one. Is that different from deciding that a trans man who has a baby isn't a real man? If so, how? If not, why not?

I didn't say ftms and mtfs aren't real men or women, I just wonder why anyone would use something he/she hates?

Quote from: Synkronic on August 24, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
Dude, he's not spewing hate. Spewing hate would be him coming on here saying we're ->-bleeped-<-ed up. He's asking a legitimate question because he wants to understand.

Quote from: TroyTransistor on August 24, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
I'm so glad someone pointed this out. I don't think he was being cruel, I'm fairly certain he was just expressing an opinion. Can we not attack people for what may or may not be considered poor phrasing, please? =/

Thank you, it was indeed not my intention to spew hate.

I'm tired now and I'm going to bed, tomorrow I will respond more.

Firstly, ->-bleeped-<- is a spectrum.
Secondly, no one, including trans people fit into specific categories, we have enough of the whole fitting into a 'male' or 'female' category shoved in our faces throughout our lives.
Thirdly, even if you are against transmen getting pregnant, at the end of the day, who really cares? Another trans person getting pregnant isn't going to have an impact on you. Well, unless it is you who's getting pregnant.

Our bodies are ours and not anyone elses...why can't people just...accept?

Also, I doubt that ALL transmen hate their ovaries, etc. Like I said, ->-bleeped-<- is a spectrum. Not a list of certain criteria.

I don't think it's womanly or feminine to carry a baby. I see it more as maybe something people need to do, or really want to do. Some people can't adopt because adoption agencies might not be okay with a couple where one of them is trans.

There have been many biological parents where one or both are trans. There's also a documentary called trans parent. It's about several trans men who have birth. I don't think it's available anywhere but it's something to watch.

Some of us had children before we realized that our feeling male meant we were transsexuals.  I had no idea.  I wanted kids, I had the parts, I had a male partner.  It was a foreign experience, I never ID'd as a mom, though I'm a darn good parent.

I personally could not have gone back and had children after transition; some decide to do it early in transition, some later, understanding the risks involved.

Jay

I am not a seahorse.

But if you wanna have a child more power to ya.

Quote from: comatose on August 24, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
I just wonder why anyone would use something he/she hates?

because you know every single trans or gender variant person's relationship with/feelings toward their reproductive parts? 

Quote from: Mr.Rainey on August 24, 2011, 05:09:52 PM
I am not a seahorse.