I think you should stay and visit the Androgyne section when you need a breather. Its an 'Alright' place where you are considered 'Alright' no matter your politics or opinions or looks or schooling. When you get to know us over there you realize everything is going to be 'Alright'.

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on August 25, 2011, 04:58:02 PM
I was referring to opinions when I mentioned that nobody is right and nobody is wrong.  I to am college educated, working on my grad degree but that doesnt mean my thoughts and opinions trump anyone elses nor does it mean my thoughts and opinions carry more weight than others and unlike some members on here, you'll never hear me say "because I'm working on my grad degree, I know more than you do" type of ->-bleeped-<-.
Aside from that, you wanna know what really churns my stomach?  The various comments I've seen on here throwing stones at us post up gals insinuating that we are "elitists" because we are post op.......sounds more like jealousy than anything and that churns my stomach like you would not believe.
I have my own opinions (as we all do) and thoughts and nobody should ever be attacked because they go against the norm....nobody.  I have zero tolerance for ignorance.
I use my education and life experiences to help educate others speaking at many educational institutions.  I sure dont do it for me as my journey is complete.........I do it for these same people whose own journey is still midstream or just beginning....these very same people that spew some of these hateful comments and attacks.

Really when i got my operation most people said grat's but its not i know more then you kind of thing, something has to be said for experience and a lot of times people give advice only because they have been through it and want to help ease possible pain if they see you on a similar path that brought them pain.  Opinions are just that opinions, however no one is right and no one is wrong is too broad a statement, one could say the earth is flat and they could be wrong, even if that is an opinion its not a correct one based on known facts of what can be proven.  However if nothing can be proven then i see your point, its just opinion one person's point of view. 

Really though, people see Post-ops as elitists.. that new to me.

Quote from: Izumi on August 25, 2011, 06:31:29 PMReally though, people see Post-ops as elitists.. that new to me.

I've seen all sorts of variations--people who think post-ops are acting elitist (sometimes I'd say they are and sometimes not), post-ops who I think are very compassionate and humble (I don't know if other folks agree), and post-ops who, in my opinion, really are acting elitist (whether they realize it or not).

I'm sure it's a different ballgame once you're post-SRS. Since I've been here, I've seen a few post-op women leave because the site just doesn't offer them much anymore--that is, perhaps I should say that they no longer need what the site has.

here is an example:

I believe, as my opinion, that ->-bleeped-<-s and crossdressers should be using the restroom based on their sex and not their presentation for the sole reason that they do not identify as the opposite sex......and in all honesty, 99.9% of whom will never plan to correct a congenital anomaly with their genitals.........
Because I am post op, I have been accused of being an elitist based on the above opinion....which I have zero tolerance for.
If we are to be accused of being "elitists".........it should never be based on what we think or what our opinions are but rather because the post op gals are part of a very very limited sorority having completed transition.......it is a very elite group of women.........in fact, I think that's how I'll start viewing it.  when it's written as an attack, I'll process it as a compliment instead.......yes, I'm an elitist because I belong to a very elite group of post op women! lol

If you wanna see the real "elitists".....just look and see who attacks, argues and smites other members because their opinions are different......nuff said on that.

To say there are no post op elistists is folly. HOWEVER, there are elitists in every subgroup of the trans perspective too. If a trans is an elitist when she's pre op, she may very well likey be elitist after her surgery. You cannot deny there are no elitist in the trans community because they do exist.

Likewise, I have met very wonderful post op women. THANK GOD, the ones I know personally are all humble or "normal" about their situations. The post op woman who helped me on my own personal road is the most caring person I have literally met in my entire life. On the same coin, the most vindictive, arrogant people I have ever met are trans as well.  You just got to weed out the ones who are not very kind and let them go.

When you state people have accused you of being elitist in some of your postings, then you have choices you can make. Ignore them, learn from them, disagree with them or continue to troll back and forth until someone gets the banstick. When you mentioned people have accused you of acting elitist in the CD vs TS issue and the bathrooms, your posts did sounded like they were elitist. Because I define "elitism" as someone who thinks they are better than another person. In this case, I saw that reflected in your posts against CD/TV.  With a large CD community on this very website, you will naturally upset some people. However, you have the options to ignore what I said, learn from it, disagree or whatever your choice is.

The only suggestions I have is to word your phrases more carefully or think hard about the phrasing you want to use. If you truly get upset over a comment, mull it over for 30 minutes before posting back.

If you feel someone has given you a negative reputation because they were acting elitist, then contact the moderators about it. They will remove it. My negative ratings people used against me were removed because of the same situations.

just so I completely understand........you think I'm an "elitist" because I have an opinion that differs from yours in thinking that ->-bleeped-<-s should use the restroom congruent with their sex and not their presentation BECAUSE....they do not identify as the opposite sex?  you think I'm a bigot for that opinion?
you think I'm an "elitist" because sometimes I leave open ended comments/questions that invoke the whole thought process?
would it be fair to say that in the paradigm of things, this type of thought is more congruent with "elitism" than anything else?
oh, please do elaborate

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on August 25, 2011, 10:08:27 PM
just so I completely understand........you think I'm an "elitist" because I have an opinion that differs from yours in thinking that ->-bleeped-<-s should use the restroom congruent with their sex and not their presentation BECAUSE....they do not identify as the opposite sex?  you think I'm a bigot for that opinion?
you think I'm an "elitist" because sometimes I leave open ended comments/questions that invoke the whole thought process?
oh, please do elaborate

I think you misunderstood she said you came off as an elitist at some points in the argument because of phrasing, and quite honestly anything can be read off as elitist... like right now you may see me being an elitist because I am saying something you may think is basic and me saying something basic means I less of you, but honestly I am just typing this as my honest feelings with no ill will.

Quote from: Sam(my)I am on August 25, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
I think you misunderstood she said you came off as an elitist at some points in the argument because of phrasing, and quite honestly anything can be read off as elitist... like right now you may see me being an elitist because I am saying something you may think is basic and me saying something basic means I less of you, but honestly I am just typing this as my honest feelings with no ill will.

you got it

Quote from: Sam(my)I am on August 25, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
I think you misunderstood she said you came off as an elitist at some points in the argument because of phrasing, and quite honestly anything can be read off as elitist... like right now you may see me being an elitist because I am saying something you may think is basic and me saying something basic means I less of you, but honestly I am just typing this as my honest feelings with no ill will.

I'm pretty sure I know what I've read and didnt misunderstand anything as did several others

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on August 25, 2011, 10:38:57 PM
I'm pretty sure I know what I've read and didnt misunderstand anything as did several others

Oh, I meant you I think you misunderstood what Annah was saying she didn't call you elitist, as for others many can do that but as I said anything can come off as elitist or offensive. Take this as you will but this is a high strung community (stressed in general) so somethings can immediately come off as offensive, and then they imply you are elitist. Everything is perception unless clearly said, I think we as people really need to be more open and try to take careful steps with what we say and we all need to develop thicker skins, it can't hurt at least right?

All in all perception is key, I am not saying you lack perception but it is something we all have skewed unless something is clearly stated.

If nobody's saying goodbye, I'm locking this.  It's run its course.