Hormonal Trans Rex
Retreived from the Internet on August 29, 2011 by SJ

http://hormonaltransrex.tumblr.com/post/4424724428/i-always-like-a-good-logically-fallacy-to-debunk

Thought this looked interesting, what do ya'll think? SJ

Convoluted graphs are convoluted.

There is no debate. Women with this condition are still women, not men. Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong. I could take issue with a few of the things in the graph too, but it is really irrelevant since the entire graph supports a "debate" which does not exist.

I think that's exactly what the graph shows - that it isn't a debate, that the people who think we are men are the same people who despise us PERIOD. That the arguments are actually pointless because at the core are their own insecurities about their sexuality and gender.

Looks messy, but quite clever really. (For those that are struggling, the beginning is "You're really a man" and you go on from there. The two ends points are "Logical fallacy" and "You're a bigot.")

Lol 

I find it funny when people try to define things that they don't even know how to define.  Before you can say someone is this or that you have to clearly and logically define what this and that are. 

Define woman? Define man? 

Let me give this example:
People believe them to be constants, use genetics as source for their logic, however, even if you exclude Intersex, XX and XY doesn't mean man or woman simply because people with XY  CAIS exist.  Not only are XY CAIS treated like women, look like women from birth, legally women from birth, and can even have kids the good ol' fashioned way (3 case i know of natural child conception and birth documented), but because XY CAIS women exist, anyone can be one unless we give all women DNA tests to find out.   So if you throw the genetics argument out the window what do you have left? 

There are only 2 constants common to all men and women, and TS meet the requirements of those two constants. 
1) all men believe they are men heart and soul and all women believe they are women.
2) society agrees with them

Those are the only two constants and requirements for being a man or woman, everything else is variable. 

The graph doesn't make sense to me, at least the thread is posted in the right section ''opinions & editorials'' thats all it is, a ridiculous opinion by somebody who doesn't know what they are on about, actually I find it quite off offensive, ''transwomen are men debate'' Iv a trans history yes, but Im certainly not a man, Im a WOMAN!! All woman, I can prove it, just ask my Husband.
I really hate reading stuff like that, some people try to blind people by so called science and ridiculous so called ''facts'', all based on a load of nothing.
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Woooooooosh

This one sailed right by it seems.

The point of the flow chart is to show that all of those ways of invalidating our identity are either based on faulty logic or bigotry. It's an expression of exasperation that every argument beginning with "You're a man" follows the same predictable pattern.

Quote from: LifeInNeon on August 29, 2011, 06:36:15 PM
Woooooooosh

This one sailed right by it seems.

The point of the flow chart is to show that all of those ways of invalidating our identity are either based on faulty logic or bigotry. It's an expression of exasperation that every argument beginning with "You're a man" follows the same predictable pattern.

Pac-man chart is never based on faulty logic, and is factually correct.