Well, admittedly, I would prob. wear a bikini, maybe a sarong, some kinda shoes/sandals and maybe a cute hat and I'd have to have a pink or purple Hula Hoop

Where I live it isn't illegal for people assigned female at birth to go topless in public. In fact, it's not even technically illegal to be naked in public as long as there is no sexual intent to it.

That said, I don't go topless in public because I've not had top surgery yet, and because I have a lot of dysphoria around my chest. But just because I have dysphoria, does not mean that I feel entitled to go ->-bleeped-<-ting on other people's parade. That's a bit selfish, imo. I fully support everyone being able to be topless in public if they choose to, even if I don't feel comfortable going topless without surgery, or even if I find topless people triggering as far as my own dysphoria (which I'm fairly certain will go away once I've got top surgery). I fully intend on being one of those topless individuals the minute I have surgery. We need less prohibitive laws as far as body-positivity, not more prohibition. The human body isn't something to be ashamed of. I might not want to walk around naked myself, but if other people want to, more power to them.

And (all?) the MtFs say-  AMEN.

It's no issue in most of Europe... :-)

Axelle

i think this is just me but I don't think we should make anything illegal because it makes us depressed or it may kick in our dysphoria.

Before I transitioned I used any type of feelings as a catalyst to achieve what was bringing me down in terms of gender presentation.

I would love to walk around topless - and I find that it does trigger my dysphoria. For example, on my way to work today I was driving along and singing to my driving playlist (I have a REALLY long drive to work) and at a stoplight I glanced out my window and a man was walking by with a very full beard and no shirt on, both of which triggered my dysphoria. It was a very long drive this morning. Happy mood ready to take on the day destroyed, I was put into a rather unpleasant state of mind.

But that's not the point. The point is that although it does trigger my dysphoria, I would never make a law against toplessness.

Mostly because I fully intend to do exactly what that man this morning did: walk around shirtless. And with a huge beard (haha).

Quote from: Berserk on September 05, 2011, 12:36:58 PMBut just because I have dysphoria, does not mean that I feel entitled to go ->-bleeped-<-ting on other people's parade. That's a bit selfish, imo.

I kind of feel this way too. I mean, yeah, it makes me burn with envy every time I see a jock with no top on. But I'll probably still feel that way when I'm post-op just because I probably won't have washboard abs or pecs.

But I tell you, as soon as I grow some hair on my chest, my shirt's coming off. I have a small enough chest - I look like a bad case of gynecomastia. My nipples really aren't even that big, just big for a "normal" guy. And lots of guys have it. Yeah, it may be slightly unattractive, but it gets hot in the summer.

Besides, in Ontario, I'm pretty sure it's still legal for women to go topless too. At the risk of sounding like a pervert, I wish more women would feel more confident and proud of their bodies and rights. There's no reason to let men have all the glory.

Quote from: Synkronic on September 05, 2011, 01:14:12 PM
Besides, in Ontario, I'm pretty sure it's still legal for women to go topless too. At the risk of sounding like a pervert, I wish more women would feel more confident and proud of their bodies and rights. There's no reason to let men have all the glory.

Agreed, in a weird way.

Whenever I go to dorney park I feel jealus of all the other girls that have breasts. But of course they have to remain covered so I dont know what im talking about.

Anywho passing a law agianst toplessness seems a bit unethical to me.

QuoteNude Hula Hooping sounds kinda fun

I might pay to see that.


No, I have no desire to take away anybody else's right to bare ams... or chests.

Quote from: bojangles on September 05, 2011, 05:22:13 PM
No, I have no desire to take away anybody else's right to bare ams... or chests.

Or bare breasts 

Quote from: Synkronic on September 05, 2011, 01:14:12 PM

Besides, in Ontario, I'm pretty sure it's still legal for women to go topless too. At the risk of sounding like a pervert, I wish more women would feel more confident and proud of their bodies and rights. There's no reason to let men have all the glory.

Yes here in Ontario it's quite legal for us women to topless in public.  I remember when the law was first passed folks expected there to be an abundance of bare breasts everywhere. However it didn't happen, leaving many men disappointed and grandmothers relieved

I go topless fairly often, but one should use discretion all the same.

Quote from: Steph on September 05, 2011, 07:56:11 PM
Yes here in Ontario it's quite legal for us women to topless in public.  I remember when the law was first passed folks expected there to be an abundance of bare breasts everywhere. However it didn't happen, leaving many men disappointed and grandmothers relieved

I go topless fairly often, but one should use discretion all the same.

I think its fine to go outside topless. I was raised to believe that men and women should be equal.

Quote from: tekla on September 05, 2011, 08:27:42 AM
  At any rate...Naked people are the LEAST threatening things in the world.

Yes, Robot Unicorn Nazis are the real threat.

Although I can relate to the jealously part, I think all people should be allowed to go top-less.  Honestly, I think public nudity should be legal for everyone, all the time.  I would prefer to remain fully-clothed, but that doesn't mean other people should have to do the same.

I think eather everyone should be able to walk around shirtless or no one should. That is only fair.

I don't mind being shirtless around people that respect me as male and treat me as such. The only real reason I would keep my shirt on is the fact that people might think I am a woman. Other than that my chest does not bother me. To me it just looks like really round pecs, the only thing wrong with them is that others may missgender me.

I'm actually rather shy about going topless    Even long before transitioning I didn't like to take my shirt off in public     
When "the guys" would choose up teams, they would often play whatever game 'Shirts VS Skins'    All the other guys would just take their shirts off like no big deal, My dysphoria would kick in and I'd be scared to death

It doesn't bother me when others go topless though

Kohdy - What part of Canada are you talking about??

I wanna move there =P

I think the laws regarding male vs. female toplessness are ridiculous. Male and female breasts are EXACTLY. THE. SAME. Just one usually has more adipose and glanduler tissue than the other. And even then it's just a "usually". For example, a woman can be an A cup and a man with gynecomastia could have a C cup. Why is it then, that the woman has to cover up even though the man has bigger boobs? It makes absolutely no sense. Breasts are not sexual organs. They are apocrine glands, similar to sweat glands. It's oppressive and unfair that women are sexualized for having breasts but men are not. I fully support topfree equality and I believe women should have the right to go topless just like men can.

Quote from: TheAetherealMeadow on September 06, 2011, 02:45:18 PM
I think the laws regarding male vs. female toplessness are ridiculous. Male and female breasts are EXACTLY. THE. SAME. Just one usually has more adipose and glanduler tissue than the other. And even then it's just a "usually". For example, a woman can be an A cup and a man with gynecomastia could have a C cup. Why is it then, that the woman has to cover up even though the man has bigger boobs? It makes absolutely no sense. Breasts are not sexual organs. They are apocrine glands, similar to sweat glands. It's oppressive and unfair that women are sexualized for having breasts but men are not. I fully support topfree equality and I believe women should have the right to go topless just like men can.

+1

I don't think we should limit someones ability to express freedoms with their body in front of others just because of other people's insecurity. Although I agree, i can actually become irritated by people who seem to be able to remove their shirt and walk around like it's nothing, but it truly is nothing. It's the human body. Clothes are socially applied, but since when are social pressures supposed to run our lives? I think through these types of things and have dialogues with myself when i have issue, because my initial reaction is usually my own problem and not someone else.