Size #10! 

One of the nurses said to give the dilator a little twist back and forth toward the end to get deeper.  It seems to give me another quarter inch.  (I just wiggle it in a twisting motion, about an eigth inch in each direction.  Then I hold it in with light pressure.)

Now if the dilator was covered with skin and had a nice man attached to it...

- Kate

Quote from: K8 on May 14, 2010, 07:23:13 AM
Size #10! 

One of the nurses said to give the dilator a little twist back and forth toward the end to get deeper.  It seems to give me another quarter inch.  (I just wiggle it in a twisting motion, about an eigth inch in each direction.  Then I hold it in with light pressure.)

Now if the dilator was covered with skin and had a nice man attached to it...

- Kate

easy, go to club, take off pants in middle club, and lay down

Quote from: K8 on May 14, 2010, 07:23:13 AM
Size #10! 

One of the nurses said to give the dilator a little twist back and forth toward the end to get deeper.  It seems to give me another quarter inch.  (I just wiggle it in a twisting motion, about an eigth inch in each direction.  Then I hold it in with light pressure.)

That's basically what my dilation manual says:

Quote from: Papillon Center Dilation ManualAs you are dilating, pretend you have come to a closed door, and are checking to see if it is locked. THIS is the same twisting/pushing motion that works best. Gentle twisting is important to keep the dilator on course, but always keep the white dots facing the ceiling....

The area most prone to shrinking is the ring where the scrotal graft is attached to the inverted penile skin. If you experience difficulty dilating this area, try more lubrication along with a twisting motion, while firm inward pressure is applied.

so I guess that means it's better to have a boyfriend who can dance lol

Quote from: FairyGirl on May 17, 2010, 09:19:03 PM
That's basically what my dilation manual says:

so I guess that means it's better to have a boyfriend who can dance lol

ooooouuu you went to the Pappillon center? Do you think mcginn is hot? I kinda got a crush on her hahahh **whistles

yes she's quite beautiful, very hot I guess if you like girls lol

Quote from: FairyGirl on May 17, 2010, 10:41:36 PM
yes she's quite beautiful, very hot I guess if you like girls lol

I like guys but she is really hot in admiration

yes hon I was just teasing you and I agree She's also very intelligent, witty, compassionate, and dedicated to excellence in her craft. After meeting with her I had no doubts about going with her as my surgeon.

sweet ps i love that shirt your wearing in the pictures, its like a 70's style and I think the era as arose again

I really wanted to go see Mcginn for my revision work as she sounds excellent and it would have given me the perfect excuse to vist the US and Canada for a holiday.

Sadly on her website it stated very firmly that she won't deal with anyone over a BMI of 30 and I am, just outside that range. So even though my own doctor agrees that, in my case the figure is missleading and describing me as obese is wrong, I couldn't take the risk of turning up and having Mcginn turn me down!

Worked ok though Bellringer did a good job too.

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 18, 2010, 07:11:19 AM
Sadly on her website it stated very firmly that she won't deal with anyone over a BMI of 30 and I am, just outside that range. So even though my own doctor agrees that, in my case the figure is missleading and describing me as obese is wrong, I couldn't take the risk of turning up and having Mcginn turn me down!

That is kind a funny in a way. I had a 28" waist but wieghed 185. A doctor at the time wrote obese in my med records.  Grrr.

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 06, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
1. How much raw material you had to start with.
2. How elastic your skin is (my inital bits were TINY but luckily I had exceptionally elastic skin).
3. How good your surgeon is/was.
4. How diligently you dilate.

Anything over 5 1/2 inches is considered good.

As I can lose the entire dilator up to the hilt so that it is difficult to grip and pull out I conclude that I have rather more than that probably around 7  to 7 1/2 inches.

Is it important?

Well as most men would require a depth of at least 5 inches to avoid "bottoming out" 5 1/2 inches is the magic figure if you want to have heterosexual sex without any difficulties - so yes it's important to that extent. The extra inches are actally a liability - they make dilation more tricky, the top of the vagina becomes impossible to probe with the finger to check for any problems - and it makes hygine more important. Also you need a big man to please you!

Adequate girth is probably just as important though.

How difficult is it to maintain - just have a regular sex life and dilate about once a week to make sure - 26 years - no loss of depth.

I concur with this answer.

I would agree that the space in the pelvic floor, the penile, scrotal, and other grafted material that is used are factors, as is your surgeon's ability and your adherence to good post surgical after-care.

I just had my surgery on Wednesday, two days ago and Dr. Bowers informed that while everything went exceptionally well, she couldn't get me quite as much depth as she had expected. She said while I had sufficient penile material, she had run out of scrotal material So I can expect about 5.5 inches at best. ;/ I was dreaming of 7 inches. oh well.

For me it was not that i did not have enough material, because i did, Dr. Mcginn did not want to push the envelope due to me being diabetic and diabetics usually have less blood flow in that area and thus slower healing, my diabetes has been under control for many years and i healed as if i never had it, i got about 4", but you know what, i am not unhappy, it looks like a vagina plus it is not a penis.

Paula

Not sure if this should be a new thread or not, but I'm curious about how many genetic girls have the same issue.  I know their vaginas are more flexible, but not sure about the depth issue.  I had a male friend tell me that he and his girlfriend had some issues with this because he is a bit long, and she would fill pain if he was not careful (trying not to be to graphic).

If the male partner is longer than the neo vagina depth, is it a case of experiencing pain if forced, or more of just not going any further?  I guess I'm trying to understand how big of an issue this is and how much it affects intimacy.

Anyone who got 5" of depth approx and kept it and is pain and complication free should be thankful!

This 'inch greed' is like OCD in trans women.

These sex starved ladies just need some real action instead of counting increments.

There's this " bloke I knew", who had comments from partners about hitting bottom. Apparently it wasn't painful, but was a bit uncomfortable.   So I guess I have no worries on that count .
It is good to hear other's stories, as it is reassuring that what I  am planning to do is the right thing.  Despite being Les, I certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a strap on that is too big!

Karen.

Maybe one point. If one 'bottoms out' with a gg, one 'knocks' the cervix --- and that is most often painful. The name for doing so repeated time is: "wombing".

If a gg has a hysterectomy it be a bit more similar to a tg but I would say still some more flexible. Hitting 'bottom' will not displace and pull on the uterus muscular 'suspension' so it be different. Though I never asked.

With a tg there is an anatomical depth that varies from person to person's male skeleton/pelvis. I'm told when the initial opening is made for the vj channel, the surgeon uses his fingers to go in as deep as is possible. In fact will then find a firm resistance if maximum depth is reached.

So in some cases it be only 4" - 5" in others it may be some more like 6" - 7". It seems to depend more on one's internal pelvic configuration then anything else.

GGs by having a different pelvic (more bowl)  shape will be deeper, IF aroused and no other problems be present. Normal gg depth is also only about 4" (up to the cervix). You don't need to be a doctor to actually know THAT.

My current understanding,
Axelle

I believe, I could be wrong. Your weight has a lot to do with it. I've GAINED A LOT of weight since my surgery. i've now JUST GOTTEN to 4 inches of depth.

Quote from: Hayley Rivka on September 09, 2011, 07:19:42 AM
I just had my surgery on Wednesday, two days ago and Dr. Bowers informed that while everything went exceptionally well, she couldn't get me quite as much depth as she had expected. She said while I had sufficient penile material, she had run out of scrotal material So I can expect about 5.5 inches at best. ;/ I was dreaming of 7 inches. oh well.

So as it turns out, now that I've started dilating, i'm actually 6-6.5 inches in depth. Horay! Right? Well not so fast! Apparently she said she was able to get me a bit wider so she started me on the second size stent but when I insert it, I feel it actually hitting my hip bones in my butt!!! I dont think I will ever be able to graduate to the next size stent!!!! She's having me come in tomorrow morning to check but the pain or discomfort I feel doesn't primarily come from the stretching of the vagina, rather its pressing against my bones on either side on the inside!!! Ouch!! I can't shift or move and there's no where else for the thing to go. I may just be stuck at blue.

I am married to a woman so we theoretically dont have to worry much about a penis size but you never know when a penis might present itself........ It would have to be so thin!
To be honest, I had dreams of handling a huge...um....yeah. (some friends of mine have boyfriends that are that endowed and its difficult not to be a bit jealous.)

It took me several months to gain to full width, and even then I didn't get sufficiently "stretched" until I started having sex with men.  In my opinion they make the best dilators EV-ER (maybe it's the dynamic action lol).  I was most diligent to not lose any depth however, as that was most important to me.  I also still have the depth I started with so haven't lost any.