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Ronald Reagan

Started by Princess of Hearts, September 17, 2011, 05:22:54 PM

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Princess of Hearts

Something that Zoe posted in another thread(see my 'Kennedy Assassination' thread) got me thinking.   Zoe's parents are virulently ring-wing - and sorry Zoe but they come across as being almost as pathetic as medieval peasants desperate for the approval of the Lord of the Manor.
Here in GB we have always had a preference for Democrat presidents.   Obama, Clinton, Jimmy Carter and of course JFK were and are all popular here.  Republican presidents in contrast are seen as being either sinister(Nixon), incompetent(Bush I & II), or non-entities(Eisenhower, Gerald Ford).  This leads me to Ronald Reagan.   
Americans seem to think highly of the presidency of Ronald Reagan, in sharp contrast to the British and continental Europeans, who thought that Reagan was a fiscally incompetent, warmongering puppet president who funded terrorism all round the world.   Don't forget it was during the Reagan administrations that American corporations went mad selling of factories, down-sizing the work force and shipping America's manufacturing base to Mexico, and the Philippines.  It was during this time that those lucky enough to still had a job saw their pay go down in real terms and their conditions slowly but surely worsen.  This was the time that people were expected to work harder, for longer and do more with less.  Meanwhile America's millionaires and billionaires were getting as rich as Crosesus all at the expense of the poor and the shrinking middle-class.  This was the time when 'greed was good' and it was perfectly acceptable to bash the poor.   Do you remember the so-called 'welfare Queens' that Reagan said drove in their Cadillacs to collect their dole money and then drove off to the off-licence for a bottle of vodka?    That is why you are flipping burgers and cold-calling people on the telephone when your father and grandfather worked in factories and did something useful to society and the economy.   That is why families need to have mom working full-time and dad holding down two jobs.  Think of all the state-sponsored terrorism that America indulged in during the Reagan years.   The funding of proxy armies in Central America through illicit arms and drug sales for example.   Think of that complete scientific fiasco and gigantic financial black hole known as the 'Star Wars' program.    Ronald Reagan's two terms in office were triumphs of style over substance.  Reagan's folksy manner appealed strongly to the American psyche.   His 'jes plain folks' manner meant that he could sweet-talk the public into accepting anything however ridiculous or costly.   

So next time you go on about Obama just remember that it was that 'All-American Hero' ole Ronnie Raygun that gave the 'Masters of the Universe' carte blanche to decimate the economy, deregulate the media, start wars and fund terrorism abroad, and turn the Stock Market from a means for companies to raise capital into a huge Derivatives powered casino.   Everything that has happened in the last few years is just the sour poisonous fruit of the tree that Reagan planted and watered with your blood sweat and tears.

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Princess of Hearts

It is interesting to note that Americans at the time and today admire Margaret Thatcher.   However, Thatcher was and is despised and reviled here in GB.



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Renee_

It should also be noted that while Europeans tend to talk about "Americans" within the country we very and fairly evenly split between more convervative and more liberal views. It's very inaccurate to ascribe these views simply to "Americans".
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Devlyn

It should also be noted that Huey Freeman pointed out Ronald Wilson Reagan is three words with six letters each. Six, six, six, the number of the beast. Gotta love "The Boondocks!"
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Amazon D

Did you know Al Gore pushed privatization of the prison industry. That has bankrupt many states who sold their prisions to private corporations. Clinton also kept the crack cocaine sentences longer to keep mostly black people in prison. Hellery Clinton also didn't want to make retroactive their sentences reduced when the supreme court said it was wrong. But your right that Ronald reagan was a jerk. Yes the last good and honest president we had was jimmy carter who was set up with the iran hostage crisis so reagan could get in and then 2 days later he got them released. Yes the bush's are also related to their grandfather preston Bush who helped to finance Hitler. They allowed Clinton to become president because he worked with them both when they shipped cocaine across texas air space and the planes landed in arkansas. Clinton was governor in the 80's. He denied any knowledge of it. But the money sent to fight the contras in south america was to help set up cocaine to be sold in the USA and bush senior was director of CIA then.



yes Jimmy Carter was the last good and honest president. But today many people think that a president needs to be evil and dishonest to get things done.

Yes i helped Obama get elected http://my.democrats.org/page/community/post/danielleclarke/CZ9k

but i also hoped it would lead to an independant candidate this time. However, nothing seems to be in the works. It seems the supreme courts ruling allowing corporations to create organizations can spend all they want to attack a candidate.

Yes i never liked margrete thatcher or any british leader.
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Princess of Hearts

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Princess of Hearts

" Spending during Reagan's two terms (FY 1981-88) averaged 22.4% GDP, well above the 20.6% GDP average from 1971 to 2009. In addition, the public debt rose from 26.1% GDP in 1980 to 41.0% GDP by 1988. In dollar terms, the public debt rose from $712 billion in 1980 to $2,052 billion in 1988, a roughly three-fold increase. "

Source:

JANUARY 2011
BUDGET AND ECONOMIC OUTLOOK: HISTORICAL BUDGET DATA
1
Revenues, Outlays, Deficits, Surpluses, and Debt Held by the Public,
1971 to 2010, in Billions of Dollars
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Princess of Hearts

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tekla

Don't think that what you see via American media, which is a wholly owned subsidiarity of the military-industrial complex, is anything even vaguely resembling an objective view of the American people.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Cindy

Quote from: tekla on September 17, 2011, 10:38:09 PM
Don't think that what you see via American media, which is a wholly owned subsidiarity of the military-industrial complex, is anything even vaguely resembling an objective view of the American people.

Very true. You also mainly see what Mr Murdoch wants you to see. You read what he wants you to read. And your opinions are shaped by his. And to make sure he is right he will hack your phone, computer and whatever and then lie straight faced. Just my opinion Mr Murdoch when you read this. Just an Adelaide girl talking about an Adelaide man.

Cindy
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mimpi

Excellent thread and thanks for starting it, Princess.

As the saying goes the US and UK are two countries divided by a common language. Bit like Ecuador and Equatorial Guinea with Spanish... Both sides illude each other that we have a common culture which isn't really the case despite all the US produced films, TV and Music that are ever-present over here.

What is called 'liberal' in the US would most certainly not be considered so in Europe and we simply do not have a religious right either. Please don't think that that by saying that I consider our own Labour Party to be anywhere left of centre either. They aren't.

Both our systems are corrupt and rotten to the core and in practice a mere facade for the interests of the corporations that make the real decisions. Murdoch being a case in point.

However, whatever his politics it's amazing the US elected a mixed race president with Hussein as his middle name. Maximum respect to them for doing so and to him for retaining the name in a political career.  If only he was a great and honest man like who he is named after and prepared to take a similar stand against the corrupt and powerful of this world. A stand against the 'Yazids' of our present world.
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Princess of Hearts

Did nobody like the two clips?   I liked the second one, it was so needle sharp and right on target that I experienced a twinge of sympathy for poor ole Ronnie, who don't forget was alive when this was made.



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Jen61

President Regan defeated the Soviet Union. He also restored the USA Defense Industrial base, and more important help America change from an Idustrial society to a creative Society.

Jen61
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Princess of Hearts

Quote from: Jen61 on September 18, 2011, 05:17:53 PM
President Regan defeated the Soviet Union.

Jen61

No he didn't! 

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Princess of Hearts

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Stephe

Quote from: Jen61 on September 18, 2011, 05:17:53 PM
He also restored the USA Defense Industrial base

I'll buy that one, the other two aren't even close to factual.
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Amazon D

Quote from: Jen61 on September 18, 2011, 05:17:53 PM
President Regan defeated the Soviet Union. He also restored the USA Defense Industrial base, and more important help America change from an Idustrial society to a creative Society.

Jen61
He's a drug store truck drivin' man. He's the head of the Ku Klux Klan When summer comes rollin' around. We'll be lucky to get out of town ... He don't like resistance I know. And he said it last night on a big TV show. He's ...
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Annah

ah politic bashing. Gotta love it.

I'm not a republican by any stretch of the imagination and I am no Reagan fan, but for every "atrocity" Ronald Reagan had come up, I can show you an another atrocity of any political leader from any era from whatever party. Yes, even the Brits.

So...I guess I'm asking....

what's the point of this thread again? Or is it a "let's single out a dead politician and beat the living sh*t out of him" thread? Or what exactly?

Eh,
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Stephe

Quote from: Annah on September 18, 2011, 06:47:19 PM


what's the point of this thread again? Or is it a "let's single out a dead politician and beat the living sh*t out of him" thread? Or what exactly?


My guess would be this is in response to tea baggers putting Regan up on a pedestal as a God to worship?
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Princess of Hearts

So many people seem to want Presidents and Prime Ministers to be their 'daddy' and hold their hand and protect them at all times.   People have short memories, I am sure that in America there are many people saying: 'This recession would never'ah happened on the Gibber's watch, no siree.'   'Yeah big Ron was da' man!'   As my post above shows it was the 'great communicator' who gleefully kicked started all the upheaval we are seeing now.

Ladies and gentlemen if there is ONE think that you understand and take to heart it is this:

You mean nothing to the politicians, no really I am serious.   You are livestock, you are sheep on the government's farm.  You are sheep to be shorn for all you are worth.   You agreed to all this when you accepted your SS/SIN/NINO so don't think the law will protect you.  You and the government entered into legal relations you and Washington are partners in a contract.

Once you understand that the politicians own you everything else falls into place.   You will realise why they promise you the earth before an election and renege on their promises afterwards.  They think that you are stupid, in fact they know that you are stupid, their state schools are set up so that you will become stupid and remain stupid the rest of your life.   The politicians find out what you want, promise to deliver in office then say 'oh sorry times and circumstances have changed we can't now do anything that we said we would do.'   The people fall for this trick election after election after election after election.  The people say ' Oh gee that sucks but I guess we just gotta do what the grown ups say.'  'I guess we gotta tighten our belts cause of this recession.  We just gotta work even harder and even longer for less money and a smaller pension at the end of it.'   

Do you know how the government can get you to pay the bankers' debt and accept severe cuts to public services?   Well again you agreed to all this when you accepted your SS/SIN/NINO.   You agreed to act as Surety on government debt.  What 'Surety' means is that you promise to pay if the borrower(The state and Federal government) can't service its debts.   When this happens the creditors will come looking for you and legally demand that you the Sureties are taxed more and have services cut to pay the bankers their money.  Had you lawfully refused to contract with the government then they could not have demanded money from you, or asked you to serve in the military or send you to jail for anything other than theft from, damage to a living soul and their property.
  If you want to keep someone wholly dependent upon you you never give them what they want although you keep promising to do just that but only if they keep on giving you what you want.   This craven dependence and rank stupidity would be shocking enough but now we get people praising the person who wrecked their and their children's future and who also buried them and their great grandchildren as yet unborn up to the eyeballs in debt.
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