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Doing top surgery on yourself?

Started by Wilhelm, September 18, 2011, 02:45:12 PM

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Wilhelm

That sounds weird and impossible, I know. But right now, it feels like either I do it myself, or it doesn't happen. At least not for a long, long time. And I can not wait that long. And I don't even care how horrible the scarring would be.

And I know I'd probably die from blood loss, or I'd accidentally puncture a lung. My heart is inside there somewhere too. But I don't know what to do. And what's even worse is, I know there is a doctor that would do top surgery on someone my age. But he lives in America, and I don't. And then my parents would have to pay a lot of money for it to happen, and they won't even pay for a packer.

But is there anyway I could do it myself? Have you ever heard of anyone who has done it themselves? Or read about it somewhere online?
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Kentrie

I've had that feeling before. Don't do it, it could kill you and if you did make yourself flat then you wouldn't be around to enjoy having no breasts. I really understand that feeling. I was considering doing it a couple of nights ago
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Wolfsnake

*Disclaimer: Wolfsnake is not a doctor. He does assist with surgeries on animals, though.*

I would be lying if I said I never considered doing this myself. But I know how incredibly unwise it would be. Let's just break it down:

First off, there's the pain issue. Let's just say that somehow, you manage to acquire some form of anesthetic that numbs your breast area without depressing your central nervous system and without causing cardiac suppression, respiratory depression, or worse. So you don't go into shock from the pain, and you can keep a clear head during surgery. Let's also pretend you've found some sterile instruments and materials to use, topical antiseptics, sterile surgical attire, and an incredibly clean dust-free operating room so you don't give yourself septicemia (a life-threatening systemic bloodborn infection, caused by improper surgical technique). Let's also say you know how to wash up for surgery and maintain sterility during the operation.

Your heart and lungs are reasonably well-protected by your ribs. However, breast tissue is highly vascular, meaning there are a ->-bleeped-<-load of veins and arteries going in and out of it. Without a three-dimensional understanding of the vascular pattern in that area, and without the ability to ligate (clamp or tie off) each major blood vessel individually, you could easily bleed enough to cause serious trouble or just plain death. This is not even considering the lymphatic system or all the nerves you could run into. Even if you had the ability to navigate this, by yourself, you would probably be unable to remove all the breast tissue (which goes all the way up to the armpits, from what I have read), properly graft the nipples, and suture up each layer of tissue correctly. You are very likely to end up with, at absolute minimum, infection, long-term nerve problems, and horribly disfiguring scars that could limit your mobility. At worst, you could literally kill yourself through blood loss or septicemia.

People who want to be surgeons go through, last I checked, up to 15 years of school and on-the-job training. That's 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, and 7 years of residency/internship. And even they screw up. They also, in addition, usually have the assistance of at least three, but usually more, highly-trained assistants to monitor anesthesia, help with the operation, ligate, pass materials, monitor patient vital signs, etc., etc., etc.

So please, please, please...wait. Let someone who can give you a beautiful chest, safely, do it for you. I know it seems like a lot of money and too many years. But you will get there.

And in the meantime, exercise. Especially focus on back and chest muscles, and on maintaining good posture. This will help minimize body fat, and therefore minimize breast size.
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Darrin Scott

I understand that top surgery is a while away for you, but this is extremely dangerous and could be fatal. I would NOT do it.

Are you bigger chested? I know for myself I am unable to pay for surgery and no one else is, either. I'm larger and am hopefully getting a reduction. Smaller breasts would be better then what I've got now, and my insurance would pay for it. (I am in America). Could that be an option for you? I know it's not perfect, but for me, it's better than what I have now.





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Natkat

I have tried doing it for a long time ago, I cut myself random places to get use to the pain and I hoped I would get use to it so much that I could try and cut it off myself with help from my mothers medicin to lower the pain,
However it didn't work, I couldnt do it, guess its was a mix between the fact I might die, get handicapped, or the extreme pain.

of corse I wont advise you to do so but
I understand your felling,

only advise I can give is dont give up.

in my country it well-knowed that there is only 1 place you can get these kind of surgerys, and its very hard to get permission, in fact I was rejected the first time I showed up and it made me in despair, because I thought I had to wait to I turned 25 and because I thought they might not want me and I should move to thailand or the US to do so.

however as I got into it I noticed that there were more places they could do top surgery, there was wellknowed for it but if you got the information then there is places like that who deal with somehow simular surgerys. I got on a hospital who mainly delt with cancer but who wouldnt refuse having a surgery like that however they only had done it 1 time before, and then theres another hospital who had done it with some patients, and another hospital in the country nearby me.

what im trying to say is, even if you get told that "its all imposible" then there can be places who are working with these who just isnt that wellknowed, All the people I talked to in the past thought there only where ONE place in my country and that I had to be 18-24 but now I found out that its not true, its just only 1 place people know about.
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if these arnt to help then you could try on my parrent again, my mother probebly wont by me a packer either, but I not having top surgery hurt me, theres many things I cant do because I dont have it, and my lungs and back are hurt from years binding, not to mention I cant have on my favorite clothes,

all this things is the reason for me having surgery, I think somehow your mother might understand it more if she know how it hurt you and how it put you down, A packer dosent "hurt" the same way, and it dosent leave damage to your body, if you understand what I mean.

I wish you luck.
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wendy

#5
Why are we so depressed?  We are not bad but if we express ourselves then we are just ill.

Then I am tired of being ill.

Somehow put a plan together or find someone to work with you.

Life is easier when people work together.

Do you want to preserve nipple area so that top looks male?

If yes it requires more skill than just cutting it off.

Have a MTF friend that had doctor cut privates off.

I was angry that doctor would do that!  Privates can be used as parts.

Now friend is considering using parts from leg.

Why do prisoners on death row convicted of killing another human get more consideration than a person that feels this was wrong body.

Guess I am just ill.
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Nygeel

Best case scenario: You do it alone without anybody else in the room. The pain becomes unbearable and you go into shock, a relative or friend finds you and calls 911 who stitches you back up and some how you end up without an infection. Psychologically you're now screwed and forced into therapy and maybe put on suicide watch.
Result: You'll probably be denied any sort of ability to get hormones or surgery for awhile. You'll still be alive but people will be cautious of leaving you alone. You also will be alove.

Worst case scenario: You die. Um...I think that explains itself.

Soooo...I think it's a bad idea. Overall there wouldn't be any sort of good outcome. It's one of those things where there's a HUGE long shot of a chance...better odds winning the lottery, getting struck by lightning, becoming a special teams navy seal, and performing an unassisted triple play in a MLB game (combined) than having some sort of positive outcome from performing surgery on yourself.
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Elijah3291

Quote from: Nygeel on September 18, 2011, 06:51:36 PM
Best case scenario: You do it alone without anybody else in the room. The pain becomes unbearable and you go into shock, a relative or friend finds you and calls 911 who stitches you back up and some how you end up without an infection. Psychologically you're now screwed and forced into therapy and maybe put on suicide watch.
Result: You'll probably be denied any sort of ability to get hormones or surgery for awhile. You'll still be alive but people will be cautious of leaving you alone. You also will be alove.

Worst case scenario: You die. Um...I think that explains itself.



I agree with this.

also, best best best case seinerio, you actually get further then Nygeel's example and you somehow manage to get out the breast tissue and sew yourself up, and replace the nipple, it would look terrible and probably be saggy and uneven and the scars would probably heal bad and most likely get an infection. lets just say your chest would look really bad. ever see pictures of top surgery that just look terrible? well thats a surgery done by a trained and schooled doctor, imagine you doing it, ON YOURSELF and with no skill or practice whatsoever.

i am not saying that I have never thought about it, or wished it could be probable, I am just saying its a really stupid thing to seriously consider doing.
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Nygeel

Also, I wouldn't be so concerned with hitting a lung or your heart. Ribs are pretty strong, and the way to hit a lung or your heart is by doing a stab in between the ribs. Very hard to do since you want more of a cutting motion than a stabbing motion.

So, infection would be very likely (although you could boil everything). Hitting important blood vessels, bleeding out, crap ton of pain...all more realistic than hitting your heart or lung.
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anibioman

i know about a guy who used to cut himself as a young teen. on the boobs in an attempt to deflate them. you wouldnt be able to stand the pain. watch dr. madalies video and then watch house when he tries to cut out some tumors in his leg WITH anesthesia and he pretty much passes out and he is a doctor.

Mr.Rainey

I don't think I need to elaborate on these guy's posts about it being a bad idea.

I think what would be a good idea is getting a good binder (if you don't already have one) find some over sized shirts or hoodies that hide it well and tell your self you are a man. Men get Gynecomastia aka moobs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecomastia You are still a man even if you have some fat on your chest. It does not make you any less of a man.
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Cindy

Sorry to post into a guys thread. I know a number of MtF who have tried to castrate themselves (including me :embarrassed:), a far easier task than a double mastectomy. The pain level was too high.  Your chances of cutting off  breasts and surviving is minimal. You will need blood transfusions and there is no way you can get a result that will look any good.

Sorry and I do understand

Cindy
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Amazon D

Quote from: Wilhelm on September 18, 2011, 02:45:12 PM
That sounds weird and impossible, I know. But right now, it feels like either I do it myself, or it doesn't happen. At least not for a long, long time. And I can not wait that long. And I don't even care how horrible the scarring would be.

And I know I'd probably die from blood loss, or I'd accidentally puncture a lung. My heart is inside there somewhere too. But I don't know what to do. And what's even worse is, I know there is a doctor that would do top surgery on someone my age. But he lives in America, and I don't. And then my parents would have to pay a lot of money for it to happen, and they won't even pay for a packer.

But is there anyway I could do it myself? Have you ever heard of anyone who has done it themselves? Or read about it somewhere online?

What you could do is set up a web site seeking financial help. There are people out there who would actually give you money. That could give you an outlet to this bad idea. Do it it will work. Explain yourself and your needs. Who knows some millionaire will pay for everything.
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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