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PLEASE HELP Emotional Meltdown!!

Started by qUiRkY qUeEn, September 18, 2011, 03:39:57 PM

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qUiRkY qUeEn

Has anyone else been through this? My spouse and I are learning how to interact in public together. She is 4 - 5 months on HRT and VERY VERY uncomfortable with being out in public. Which I can understand that she doesn't feel confident about herself and is totally scared to go out. I really want to just let my guard down for her and have fun with our outings but I feel ALL of the pressure is on me to help make the outings not so terrifying for her. I love her to death but I am still trying to get used to all of these transition changes. Here movements are alot more femine and well everything she does is more femine and I am trying to not get weirded out by these changes. She tells me to not change who I am and I can stay the same BUT when I see her dancing around our house and being unparditable I freeze up. Maybe this transition will help me loosen up, I want to learn how to do so.

So we went to Ulta to buy her foundation and we went in holding hands (good start) then I was asking the lady questions about the product and then I said "I am supporting her" I realise that my spouse needs to tell me stuff that I do or say that makes her feel uncomfortable but I get defensive and harsh. It is hard right now when she is so unconfident. We are going to Portland, Oregon on vacation, we heard it is trans friendly. I find this as good for my spouse and I.

I am totally transitioing in to being married to a "male" to a "female" (Please I do not mean any disrespect using the male pronoun_ but I do not understand why she is expecting me to accept these changes super duper fast!! It is SUPER frustrating. I NEED TIME TO LEARN HOW TO BE A SUPPORTIVE SPOUSE AND ALSO WORK THROUGH MY CHANGES THAT I SEE ON A DAILY BASIS WITH MY SPOUSE. It is not easy.I understand she wants to blend in. I understand that she does not want to feel left out. I understand that she does not want any negativity. I am trying to welcome "Jill" into our marriage but I feel that my reactions are not being respected as well as could be.
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Wolfsnake

First of, kudos for sticking with your wife through all of this. Transition is a terrifying emotional whirlwind, in my limited experience, and it's very easy to get discouraged.

I'm speaking as a trans man in a relationship with a cisgendered man. Hopefully, some of the women in relationships with women here on the board will also be able to give their perspective as well. I'm going to tell you a little of what's going on inside my head. Maybe it can give you some perspective on what's going on with Jill.

I get very uncomfortable going out in public with my boyfriend. There are a bunch of reasons for it. I'm in the process of transition, so people don't see me as the person I wish to be seen as, especially up close or when I speak (I'm pre-HRT and I have a very feminine voice). I come from a very conservative part of the US, so I worry about what people will think of seeing a woman dressed as a man. Then I worry about the fact that some people will see me as a man holding the hand of another man. I want to postpone a lot of interaction--especially meeting my boyfriend's friends--until I've transitioned further. I want to meet them as his boyfriend, rather than as someone who looks like his girlfriend. All this conflict, pressure, and delf-doubt make me reluctant to go out of the house, interact, meet people, and so forth. Sometimes I feel like it isn't worth getting out of bed at all.

I started dating my boyfriend as a woman. What I appreciate most is the fact that as I started to transition, he did not change how he treated me in public at all. He was never "gentlemanly" with me when I was trying to be a woman. He's a naturally sweet and feminine person, and okay with himself that way, so he never tried to enforce gender roles. That made it very easy to be his boyfriend rather than his girlfriend. I can definitely see that being an issue, if you and Jill previously fell into gender roles of any kind. Transition kind of throws that dynamic through a loop.

Other than that, my boyfriend frequently reminds me that he wants to be there for me. When we go out, he still holds my hand, leans on me, kisses me, and so forth. Honestly I think he does it a bit more nowadays, because he knows I'm shy and uncomfortable. He compliments me on masculine or genderless qualities, rather than on feminine ones. He listens when I need to talk. He reminds me that he loves me. Those things all help me have a stable, safe base during what has become the most stressful and confusing period in my entire life. I know that no matter what else happens, there is one person on this earth who loves and supports me unconditionally. I really, really need that security in order to have the strength to keep going.

Because I rely on him so much, when he slips a pronoun by accident, it's devastating. It makes me feel completely and utterly invalidated, even though I know on an intellectual level that he sees me as male, but is trying to break a five-year habit of seeing me as female. I know he supports me. But when it seems, just for a flicker, that maybe he doesn't really, it crushes me. It's not really rational. It just is.

I worry about the stress I cause him, too, and I try to be there for him as much as he is for me. But it's hard being supportive during a time when I feel so very needy of support myself. I feel like a leech sometimes. But the thing is, I really need that support, even though I worry it makes me seem selfish. After I've put most of my energy into staying sane and keeping myself safe, I don't have a lot left over to pour back into our relationship before I run dry. It means that for now, my boyfriend has to put a lot of effort in to our relationship and not expect as much back as I once gave.

But, since we've been together a long time (6 years), I figure we do trade off. I've supported him through some major family drama in the past. Now he's supporting me. Later in our relationship, the seesaw will swing back, and I'll be supporting him through something again. I can see how easily he could become resentful of me if I had never supported him much in the past. Or how I could easily get resentful of him if he weren't so supportive now, considering what I've done for him. I think it's important to recognize that sometimes in the give-and-take of a relationship, it seems like all you do is give. Just so long as the other person gives when they are able to, things will eventually level out. 

I also know that things are getting confusing for him, in that I am changing. I like to think I'm becoming "me," but I worry that "me" may be unrecognizable compared to the person I tried to be as a woman. I can only imagine how strange and unsettling the process is from the perspective of a partner, given how weird it is for me. I try to keep my boyfriend in the loop. But sometimes I'm just so uncomfortable about things (like my body) that it's really hard to express myself, and I avoid it. It sometimes feels impossible or even pointless to talk about these things when I feel so insecure and am so frequently invalidated throughout the day by other people. It's helpful when my boyfriend asks me things. I'm more likely to answer questions than bring things up on my own. I can't expect him to read my mind and ask the right questions, though.

That's all I can think of. I hope that was helpful in some way. Feel free to ask me questions.
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Renee_

Quote from: qUiRkY qUeEn on September 18, 2011, 03:39:57 PMbut I do not understand why she is expecting me to accept these changes super duper fast!! It is SUPER frustrating. I NEED TIME TO LEARN HOW TO BE A SUPPORTIVE SPOUSE AND ALSO WORK THROUGH MY CHANGES THAT I SEE ON A DAILY BASIS WITH MY SPOUSE.

Transition is a big deal and too many people tend to lose loved ones including spouses in the process. I think most of us tend to try to keep ourselves hidden as long as we can out of fear of losing the people important to us. Somewhere along the line it comes to the point you have to be yourself even if it means losing ______. So out comes the news. It's possible your wife did something like that and held herself in as long as possible till she finally had to be herself at any cost. She may have mentally readied herself to insist on being herself, bracing for the confrontation and potential loss. Then you accepted BUT need time to adjust. That's natural and she needs to work with you on that. But it could be a difficult mental shift for her going from I have to be me no matter the cost to OK we'll do this at a pace that allows you to adapt.
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Stephe

Quote from: Wolfsnake on September 18, 2011, 05:21:47 PM

Because I rely on him so much, when he slips a pronoun by accident, it's devastating. It makes me feel completely and utterly invalidated, even though I know on an intellectual level that he sees me as male, but is trying to break a five-year habit of seeing me as female. I know he supports me. But when it seems, just for a flicker, that maybe he doesn't really, it crushes me. It's not really rational. It just is.


I wish I could help the OP more but I can respond to this. Yes it's VERY irrational and I suffered from this for a long time. I've finally gotten to when I just roll my eyes if someone who knew me for years pre transition throws out the wrong pronoun. One thing I DID put my foot down about is ANYONE who tried to use my old name. "That is NOT my name anymore!" It was tough to look past this gender slips and I can't say it doesn't bother me when it happens but I don't come unglued like I used to. If someone does it more than once in a conversation I WILL talk to them later but a single slip now and then is just gonna happen.
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qUiRkY qUeEn

Quote from: Renee_ on September 18, 2011, 05:43:54 PM
Transition is a big deal and too many people tend to lose loved ones including spouses in the process. I think most of us tend to try to keep ourselves hidden as long as we can out of fear of losing the people important to us. Somewhere along the line it comes to the point you have to be yourself even if it means losing ______. So out comes the news. It's possible your wife did something like that and held herself in as long as possible till she finally had to be herself at any cost. She may have mentally readied herself to insist on being herself, bracing for the confrontation and potential loss. Then you accepted BUT need time to adjust. That's natural and she needs to work with you on that. But it could be a difficult mental shift for her going from I have to be me no matter the cost to OK we'll do this at a pace that allows you to adapt.
I LOVE how you put this!! I was struggling with how to help my spouse understand my trip ups with her transition.. without her personally attacking me or my love for her. She is a smart girl and I know she loves me unconditionally as I do her. BUT OMG we both need to learn how to not be so rigid towards eachother. Each thing in my life right now feels like it is teaching me something. I have learned this because I want to stay with my spouse and be a great person to my outside life. Basically, I am taking this bumpy road that we can at times have and trying to learn more about me and my capabilities. I was never strong in the emotional aspect of life BUT now my spouse needs me more then ever to not be an emotional wreck and handle things in a more compassionate matter. WE BOTH are learning alot
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Princess of Hearts

Hi Quirky,  it is good that you are so tolerant, supportive and understanding regarding your partner.  However, did you know that if she undergoes srs and becomes legally a woman the state will insist that you divorce?   

THis last bit reminds me of the notorious Nuremberg Laws of 1935 part of which granted an instant divorce to German Aryans married to Jewish partners.


I hope that things are different in America.   




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qUiRkY qUeEn

I had no idea.. We have a long way to till we cross that bridge!! LOL That is the furthest from my mind at this point.
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Princess of Hearts

Quote from: qUiRkY qUeEn on September 18, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
I had no idea.. We have a long way to till we cross that bridge!! LOL That is the furthest from my mind at this point.


I am British so I hope that I am wrong about this.   Quirky don't let my comment above unnerve you, take advice from as many people here as you can.  I am sure that many people know the situation in America much better than me.

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mimpi

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on September 18, 2011, 09:21:24 PM
Hi Quirky,  it is good that you are so tolerant, supportive and understanding regarding your partner.  However, did you know that if she undergoes srs and becomes legally a woman the state will insist that you divorce?   

THis last bit reminds me of the notorious Nuremberg Laws of 1935 part of which granted an instant divorce to German Aryans married to Jewish partners.


I hope that things are different in America.

May be wrong but I believe that was added on to the original draft law on the personal insistence of that **** Tony Blair. Yet another of his crimes under the auspices of "God told me to do it".

Apart from the fact this should be taken to the European Court of Human Rights, (and can be got around remarrying in Spain), unlike the UK the US has a proper constitution and Bill of Rights which would surely make this impossible?
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ToriJo

To the OP, all I can say is that I understand a bit of what you're going through.  It can be tough when we are doing everything we can to show our love, but we make a mistake and that's pointed out.  It can feel like the love we have is disregarded and thrown away while a trivial mistake is focused on.

I have to remind myself that my wife has had a life that I can't even imagine living, and, sadly, that kind of life is very hard on a person.  I think it must be similar to what being married to a war veteran feels like - there's a change as a result of the horrible things that are experienced.  And I try to remember that, as bad as it can feel for me, she has had some really horrible things happen that no human being should ever experience.

I don't have any advice to offer you, other than to make sure to take care of yourself.
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Stephe

Quote from: mimpi on September 19, 2011, 01:01:18 PM
May be wrong but I believe that was added on to the original draft law on the personal insistence of that **** Tony Blair. Yet another of his crimes under the auspices of "God told me to do it".

Apart from the fact this should be taken to the European Court of Human Rights, (and can be got around remarrying in Spain), unlike the UK the US has a proper constitution and Bill of Rights which would surely make this impossible?

As far as I know, in America most states requires a married couple to divorce before they will allow a gender marker change...
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Ann Onymous

Quote from: Stephe on September 21, 2011, 12:08:12 AM
As far as I know, in America most states requires a married couple to divorce before they will allow a gender marker change...

oh please do cite your source.  I have not seen ANYTHING along those lines and in fact I don't even recall anyone having posted such on these boards...I am unaware of ANY court, even here in Texas, imposing such a requirement.  Admittedly, I almost wish that some court in this State WOULD do so, because it would bolster the appellate efforts in the Araguz case precisely because such a requirement would fly in teh face of Littleton and its progeny...

Not to mention that not every gender marker correction even requires a court order...
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tekla

At best it's on a state level, but I've never seen that either.  I helped someone fill out those forms for the State of California a couple of months ago (because I love filling out forms and playing the pencils there on the Group W bench), and there was nothing about marital status anywhere in there.

So yeah, citation please.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Robert Scott

I must admit I did not read through all the answers .... your issues/concerns could have come straight out of my wife's mouth. 

We have been in counseling for 4 months dealing with my transition and I haven't started taking hormones yet.  I am making the transition but she is being dragged along.

A couple weeks ago there was a transgender health conference in our town.  One of the sessions was designed for spouses of folks who are transitioning.  It lasted 2 hours and then ran over.   No matter how the partner was transitioning all the same question & concerns came out --- who gets to disclose?  when do you disclose?  what about my sexual orientation - I don't want that to be different just b/c my spouse changed ther gender?  How does sex change and get redefined?  How do I be supportive when part of me is grieving the loss? 

I imagine you are right in the same field as most folks in similar situation.  Don't be afraid to let her know you are trying but it's difficult for you too.  Don't loss yourself.  It's hard to hear when my wife tells me she is hurting and grieving the loss of my pervious self but I am glad she does.  I know I love her and sometimes I have to slow down and let her breath and then take a step forward.  It is by far not the easiest road to navigate.  However it can be done!
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noeleena

Hi,

Wether male or female or other . it does not make any difference,

Its called growing,   learning,   accepting , liveing & being.

Growing you can not run a fast race before you can walk , so both need to slow down & walk slowly . take a breath ,

Learning how to do things takes time ,not all done yesterday,

Accepting of others differences no matter what they are allso takes time to ajust to.

Liveing is neat having fun together  doing lots of nice things  dont expect to have it down pat  till your both comfortable with each other & being dressed differently or seen differently.

Being , just be your self's dont force trying to be what your not .
When out in public it's a  little harder, because  its like a show , who's trying to impress others & it comes off as not natrual , forced is more like.

I have joined many groups women only & mixed, i have fun with them & being with them im accepted based on who i am . not what i wear or how i look  its about the person in this case my self, as a person who get's on with people & mix's well with others,
I had to grow as a person not wether im male or female  iv had 64 years to do that yet 50 of those  were very hard , quite useless really,

it was for me 15 years ago i started to grow as a real person who was able to become confindent had self worth about my self & become strong in who i am, It took time to do what i have listed,  trust me i'v been through it ,

Hormones & expecting others to accept ones change is  like a fast car race, is very hard in fact its not natural   to do it that way,

Time is the better way as the changes take place slowly you both can grow to gether at the same time ,

Tho i know some wont agree with that of cause  ,

The mind bender is very hard to work through & trying to take it all in at once causes your probs.

Not sure if it'll help ,  One point is it is very hard for us who are women  to accept a change like this ,

...noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
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