Quote from: Miniar on September 27, 2011, 09:25:46 AM
The difference is in the standard of recognition, which is douchy.... :/

If hysto suffices for trans men, orchi should suffice for trans women.
End of story!

'course, where I live, 1 year hrt is the only requirement....

Depends on the location.. The state that issued my BC only requires a letter that states I've had 'irreversible genital surgery', and an orchie meets that requirement..

a "real woman" is a shining blinding star of hyperfemininity and self assured of it at the same time. they are the highest intensity of woman

And yet, no matter how real, how shinning, how blinding, how hyperfem - there is some guy or girl somewhere who is tried of their ->-bleeped-<-.

Quote from: tekla on September 28, 2011, 06:12:46 PM
By full time, does that include: changing name, changing gender ID markers, HRT, working as target gender?  That's what they are looking for.

Not changing names, yet, no, but otherwise working and so forth. It seems to me if they are worried you can't handle the negatives, presenting yourself as female full time while still being burdened with the male name is a good way to experience most of those.

Some things are sensitive to your ability to pay just like the surgery is

Quote from: tekla on September 28, 2011, 09:40:09 PM
a "real woman" is a shining blinding star of hyperfemininity and self assured of it at the same time. they are the highest intensity of woman

And yet, no matter how real, how shinning, how blinding, how hyperfem - there is some guy or girl somewhere who is tried of their ->-bleeped-<-.

yeah, like me, because conformity is a moderation type of thing. i am pretty minimal with conformity. i conform just enough so that i can still be likeable and nonoffensive to some people. too little makes you outlawed and isolated, too much makes you too overdone, and once again isolated.

It's a shame the U.K NHS clinics don't want to comply with the SOC!

Quote from: Lexia on September 28, 2011, 06:20:50 PM
Is the UK one of those 20 countries?  I know, yes it is :/  I want that gender recognition before having a vaginoplasty as I may wait for a non-NHS procedure (still researching what to do in that regard).  Too deny gender recognition based on a sex organ?, and I'd challenge what they claim to be there because it may look like a duck but if it meows it sure aint what it seems (appologies for being slightly vulgar )

Fortunately you can get a Gender Recognition Certificate in the UK without hormones or surgery. GIRES has some explanations about the details.

As for the countries requiring surgery the number is 29 in Europe alone!

Quote from: Padma on September 28, 2011, 06:23:27 PM
I was referring to the occasional tendency for people on this site to assert absolute definitions one way or another about this. There have been a lot of topics lately that have done this irresolvable discussion to death, and got quite messy in the process. I was just hoping we could avoid that cycle in this topic and stick to discussing what the new WPATH actually says.

when absolute definitions meet, guaranteed carnage haha

Quote from: tekla on September 28, 2011, 09:40:09 PM
a "real woman" is a shining blinding star of hyperfemininity and self assured of it at the same time. they are the highest intensity of woman

And yet, no matter how real, how shinning, how blinding, how hyperfem - there is some guy or girl somewhere who is tried of their ->-bleeped-<-.

Haha I love this.

Quote from: Tippe on September 29, 2011, 09:23:26 AM

Fortunately you can get a Gender Recognition Certificate in the UK without hormones or surgery. GIRES has some explanations about the details.

As for the countries requiring surgery the number is 29 in Europe alone!

Thank you Tippe, you made my day

Haha I love this.

Where I work it's called the 'super model rule.'

Quote from: Lexia on September 29, 2011, 11:12:45 AM
Thank you Tippe, you made my day

My pleasure

Here is the link on how to obtain it:
http://www.gires.org.uk/grpex.php