For me it was a positive, and I'm very happy with the results.

I think docs that sell "The Works" packages to desperate girls should be questioned seriously.  Sure, they look very different, but with a couple of exceptions, a lot of the work was unnecessary.  I am not sure it helped.  I think you need a good doctor who will do this in reasonable stages and do the most important things first.  I have personally done some things and had some procedures to correct things that have bothered me, and am having another procedure in a month.  So I am not against in in principle.  I just think caution should be exercised.

Re: Is FFS overrated?





http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/~mirror/FFS/LynnsFFS.html#anchor72451

It's funny as I never even used to think about FFS, but as I have got older it is something I would consider now, in conjunction with a some sort of rejuvenation surgery. I really think it's another personal thing & really depends where you are starting from. When I transitioned in the 80's FFS just wasn't really thought of much, as GRS was the main goal for most girls, now it seems things have changed & GRS is just one of many goals people have, at the end of the day whatever makes you feel complete is fine.

you tell me/ All depends on the surgeon..mine was Dr Z as far as FFS and BA http://www.flickr.com/photos/michelle_thoms/

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on October 02, 2011, 03:06:24 AM
you tell me/ All depends on the surgeon..mine was Dr Z as far as FFS and BA http://www.flickr.com/photos/michelle_thoms/

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Re: Is FFS overrated?





http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/~mirror/FFS/LynnsFFS.html#anchor72451

These examples are very good but I think Douglas Ousterhout has now retired. I would be interested to know if there are any FFS surgeons in the U.K who could perform to this standard?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 02, 2011, 04:12:08 AM
These examples are very good but I think Douglas Ousterhout has now retired. I would be interested to know if there are any FFS surgeons in the U.K who could perform to this standard?

He's actually not retired.  I had mine with him 3.5 months ago.

Oh, and to re-answer the question since I've had FFS since last time: heck no it's not overrated.  This surgery has done so much for my self confidence that it was worth every penny.

No, I'm very happy I had some FFS work done. It isn't just about passing you know. Lots of the girls in their 20s who have it done are visibly female beforehand. For some of us it's more about dealing with the dysphoria. I had FFS for exactly the same reason I'm going to have SRS.

Quote from: Sarah7 on October 02, 2011, 11:15:16 AM
No, I'm very happy I had some FFS work done. It isn't just about passing you know. Lots of the girls in their 20s who have it done are visibly female beforehand. For some of us it's more about dealing with the dysphoria. I had FFS for exactly the same reason I'm going to have SRS.

This, precisely.  I had just turned 18 when I had FFS done.  Could I have passed without it?  Probably.  Did it relieve a lot of my dysphoria and make me more confident in my appearance?  Absolutely.

Those pics are incredible Michelle ! where did you get your FFS work done? you would never think you were the same person.

 For FFS in the UK DR Noorman Van der Dussen is very good for natural looking results.
He has monthly consultation in London  at LCAS 15 Harley st .Works at the Highgate Hospital
Londdn and in Antwerp Belgium.

Mandy.

Quote from: Sarah7 on October 02, 2011, 11:15:16 AM
No, I'm very happy I had some FFS work done. It isn't just about passing you know. Lots of the girls in their 20s who have it done are visibly female beforehand. For some of us it's more about dealing with the dysphoria. I had FFS for exactly the same reason I'm going to have SRS.

   I also agree with this. I've been told by alot of people that i don't need FFS but i'm still planning on getting it, it's something i have to do for me and not anyone else. 

Yes jenny I used the same yardstick, the good for you is slightly patronising btw.

A bit hypersensitive mrs Delgado ?

Don't take life so seriously, it's indeed good for you, some people do have good results and you are apperently one of them, but as Tekla allready has said, the outcome is a bit unpredictable, so you belong to the lucky ones and it's good to read that your life has changed in a very positive way.

But...when I read the forum it seems that a whole bunch of people want FFS, even when their picture is obviously female, in that perspective Jenny is right, than it's overrated compare to the possible bad results.

And don't you dare to be angry to me, that's Tekla's job and she takes her job very seriously

There are a few features on my face I'm looking to reduce or get rid of, although I'll let HRT have a shot at it first.  I think peace of mind will definitely be worth it, whenever I can find a way to come up with the money.  And I will.

I really don't think so. But I'll let you know for sure in about 4 months.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 03, 2011, 02:13:50 PM

You STILL have to contour
You still have to wear makeup
You MAY NOT look natural.

Opt for one or two things instead of the entire thing.

Pardon?  What kind of surgeon can only guarantee a result that requires that you wear makeup, and even still cannot guarantee a natural-looking result?

There's a reason there are very few accredited surgeons performing these surgeries.  They're complicated, delicate, and require years of practice and experience to perfect.

I had everything but the upper lip lift done on me by Dr. Ousterhout nine and a half months ago.  I did not need all of these procedures to pass.  Frankly, I could have done without any of them.  But they made me from marginally passable to pretty, and they in no way "required" me wearing makeup.  I don't wear makeup.  I don't contour.  And my face doesn't look "freakish" or "unnatural" or anything but within the bounds of a normal female.* I resent the misinformation spread about FFS that it makes people look surgerized, unnatural, and less passable than they were before it.  For so many women, FFS is a godsend, a life-changing experience for the better.

*In fact, I have a sister.  I look just like her now that I've had surgery.

(Oh, also, it didn't cost anywhere near 70k.  I don't know where everyone gets this number.)

hey wd, just a question. how small was your upper lip before surgery, cuz this is really one of my main issues personally. I pass very well, but every woman i see has gorgeous plump lips. my bottom lip is ok but i have no top lip and i dont really ever see gg's that have this problem so to me its something that sticks out on me.

Quote from: angelfaced on October 03, 2011, 03:47:51 PM
hey wd, just a question. how small was your upper lip before surgery, cuz this is really one of my main issues personally. I pass very well, but every woman i see has gorgeous plump lips. my bottom lip is ok but i have no top lip and i dont really ever see gg's that have this problem so to me its something that sticks out on me.

My lip's around average size.  Both of them, really.  My profile picture is at kind of a funny angle, but straight-on it looks pretty normal.

I know you can get something done about that.  Isn't that what the upper lip lift is for?

I saved for 3 years.  I had forehead, nose, chin & jaw, and trach shave done by Dr. O and it cost about $40k.  Like Wonderdyke - I love that name btw - I went from being somewhat passable (from certain angles and with certain hairstyles) to passable from all angles.  I also look a lot more like my sister than I did before, and she's jealous of my nose now.

Here's a zero makeup, zero contouring, somewhat high-res webcam photo from 2 angles if you would like to see how unnatural I look.   I linked it cause it's about 200 kilobytes.
http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx263/AmySmiles729/Me/3_5_months_post.jpg