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Tough Love: My Top 7 Tips for Successfully Transitioning

Started by crimsonsky, September 30, 2011, 10:40:46 AM

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Emily Ray

I also have problem with point 2 about getting out of the community once you have transitioned. One of the greatest parts about realizing I am transgender is our community. I know it is hard to see a lot of negativity all the time, but we have valuable experience to pass on to those younger in transition than ourselves. I have gained imense pleasure helping others, inspiring young leaders to change our world not run and hide from it. I spent 30 years hiding from the world and I am done with that kind of life. The world can love me or hate me, but they will know me!

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Catherine Sarah

Hi Emily Ray,
Thank you so much for your comments and conviction. Being a 'retread' here; I'm now so humbly thankful to those that have stayed the distance and beyond. I was here when Susan's was a young and inspiring site, full of the right information at the time. At that time, there wasn't that many people transitioning, so actual testimonies were few and far between
Now the site is so richly endowed with factual information and experience, it has spurred me onwards to my final glory. I can never be more thankful for that, and to special people like yourself. Thank you.
Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa luv
Catherine




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tekla

I think people need to worry less about fitting in, and work harder at standing out.  But perhaps that's just me.

Life exists after transition.
In fact, it exists during transition too, and it seems to me (based only on years of anecdotal evidence) that the people who deal with it as part of their life, and not the only focus, do better at it.

Don't allow yourself to wallow in delusion
Hell, if it wasn't for delusion (and it's loving twin: denial), most people couldn't - wouldn't - get out of bed in the morning.  And one person's delusion is another person's meaning of life.

So many of us revel in poverty
In the same way that only the living think that death is romantic, only those with money find poverty to be something you can 'revel' in.  It's the worst, most soul-grinding existence you can have, as Min pointed out.


Furthermore, as previously mentioned, the vast majority of this world and that includes Trans people live in poverty in the developing world on less than two dollars a day. The original post is offensive and disrespectful to their situation and to those of us who live in the real world. I second the poster above's statement regarding being mean and would add cruel to it as well.
To be fair, none of those people are reading posts on transgender web sites on the web.  I mean there are a lot of 'real worlds' out there.  Where for some $8K is an almost magically unobtainable sum of money, for others, its' a week in Vegas (or less). 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Arch

Quote7. Don't allow yourself to wallow in delusion or excuses.

You mean, like the "delusion" that I'm really male inside, even though nobody else can see it because there's no empirical evidence to support my claim?

Quote7There is an inevitable "Poor me," period when you transition. You will one day look back on your behavior as immature.

I went through a lot of feelings right after my final coming-out and while I was early in transition. Some of it was self-pity. I am not ashamed of that, nor do I think it was immature. Not so far, because what I was going through was hard and risky and f***ing scary as hell. I understand what I was going through, and I understand how scared I was. I don't condemn myself for feeling some self-pity, and I doubt that I'll beat myself up for it at some later date.

You've clearly labeled your OP as your own perspective, and that's fair enough. These are the rules that worked for you. But I feel that you're so caught up in your "voice of authority" mode that you don't see how much generalizing/universalizing you are doing, and you don't see some dangerous (or at least insulting) hidden assumptions.

For example, you put this topic into the general Transgender section when it's clearly about transsexuality. You say you've "done it all," as if there were a script to follow. There isn't. You insist on FFS and assume that our goal is to be "like other women," but you're in a general forum, not an MTF forum; it's as if you think FTMs don't even exist, despite your claim that you dated one once. (Not to mention that some trans women proudly identify as TRANS women, and I suspect that this is the very thing you are warning against.) You say you've had "every surgery you can get," but I'm willing to bet that you haven't had hysto, meta, or phallo. And probably not a double mastectomy.

Yes, there are a few hidden assumptions and generalizations here that I have a problem with.

Furthermore, you seem to assume that the community exists only to support those who are early in the process, but you don't appear to acknowledge that someone has to stick around and mentor those people, so someone has to stay in the community--not for their own support but to give back. If that machine breaks down, we break down. We already have a few too many people leaving the community in many cities; there aren't enough non-stealth folks who are willing to run the support groups in some areas. And the newbies suffer because of it. Some people argue that the whole community is fractured because of this mass exodus into stealth.

Finally, #6 really borders on the cruel because so many of us struggle with family. You tell people that if they are TS, they shouldn't "have a family before [they] start transition." I assume that you mean "don't get married and have kids." How many TS people live in denial or ignorance before they figure out who they are--AFTER they have gotten into long-term relationships and maybe had a child or three? Do you think they go into those situations with their eyes fully open, and say to themselves, "Well, I am a transsexual, and in eight or ten years I'm going to hit my limit and need to transition. I guess I had better not get married, and children are right out!" For myself, I would not give up the twenty years I spent with my partner. I know I hurt him--and he hurt me--but we are both recovering, and he, too, has a twenty-year relationship to look back on with pleasure and perhaps even pride. I'm glad I did it. And many trans folks do find strength in their families, especially their children.

Finally, you claim that the more "successful" of us do not start a family. Define "successful," please. Oh, are you assuming we know what you mean? Well, that's a problem, isn't it?

And there are other objections that other people have brought up.

I appreciate your intentions. I really do. But I think that the execution leaves a little something to be desired. So, for one thing, I'm moving this thread to the transsexual forum, specifically the MTF section because it clearly isn't aimed at FTMs. And for another, I hope you'll take my criticism as constructive. I'm not being kind, nor am I being brutal. I'm just giving you my honest perspective.
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jojo10

I am very new to the community but I have lurked for quite a while, and it seems like these Top 7 Tips contribute to the problems the OP is trying to address, instead of working to solve them.
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tekla

seems like these Top 7 Tips contribute to the problems the OP is trying to address

Kinda like: Hi, I'm here from the government and I'm here to help.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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BunnyBee

Some people just want to transition to their correct sex and get on with their lives.  For them, this advice seems very good.  The reaction here is just further evidence that having the same condition and goals that I happen to have is not a welcome state of being here, which is really sad to me.

If you want to stand out, be something different, challenge convention, that's fine, go for it, but this advice was surely not meant for you.
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Jen61

Hi, Crimsonsky,

I did not take offense in your posting, quiet the contrary I am greatful you share your views and experiences.Below is how I would have posted:

1. Work with your therapists.
I recommend therapy for those who have psychological problems of any kind, seems to help most of the times. I have go to several therapists for marital problems. Find a few gold nuggets in the process, but I cannot see myself talking to them about my GID as my GID is not dysphonic to me

2. Leave the community.
I have not yet need help from the community. I have seen very little fact-based postings, but rather a lot of extremist rhetoric. I  do enjoy and I appreciate the stories shared. Some stories amuse me, some are so nutty they make me laugh. It seems we are over populated by anarchists and communists, not really my kind, better ignored.

3. Get FFS
I am not gorgeous like some of the model-like dudettes but my face is fem enough so as to pass with no makeup; however I am going to have a face rejuv procedure one of this days.  My health insurance will pay the SRS when I decide to go for it.

4. Get a job
I will say: plan early, work hard, get an education anyway you can, do not get trap in the rot of making ends-meet with low paying jobs and social hands outs.

5. Go stealth
My GID is neither a source or pride nor a source of shame. Do not hide or else live with the fear of being discover.

6. If you are TS, do not have a family before you transition.
The best thing ever happen to me was my children. I also have 10 years of happy married memories. No regrets, I will do it again.

7. Don't allow yourself to wallow in excuses or regrets
Something's were my fault, a few somebodies fault, others nobody's fault. No wrong decisions were made, at the time all seem good decisions.

Like Oldd Blue-eye said it: "regrets I have a few but then again to few to mention....I did it my way"

Jen61
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jesse

min thanks for attacking this head on this vrap is getting old
jessi
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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VeronikaFTH

Quote from: crimsonsky on September 30, 2011, 10:40:46 AM

1. Work with your therapists. Something I heard constantly when I was as Op here was "There are no therapists in my town." "It won't help me." "I don't think I should have to jump through hoops." 

Here's the truth. Most of us have some serious damage from this psychologically. We're undersocialized, we have anger issues and we need therapy to move on. Beyond that, every bit of professional documentation you can get will help you with the SSA, getting a driver's licence, changing court records and the like. Get a therapist and really do the work.

Yes, this is often helpful.

Quote2. Leave the community. Get the support here you need, and get out as soon as you can. There is a vampiric toll that the TG community takes on you. It's like reveling in old wounds.

Not always. Why not just avoid or ignore the psychic vampires? If your support group is just a big depressing sob-fest, then leave. Personally, this is why I don't go to support groups. Support groups are for people who need a lot of support.. I don't need a lot of support, I have plenty of it already, and the people who don't support me, I don't have anything to do with. I will always offer my support to the community, as I'm generally a positive person and I know that helps people.

QuoteI once tried dating an FTM, and what I quickly discovered was doubling up on the transgender drama led to a very negative, sad relationship. You are engulfed in drama and negativity every second you spend here - and you have your own battles to fight. Get healthy, and get out.

Wow. In my experience, FtMs are more balanced than MtFs. Just about every FtM I've met is an awesome person. you can't generalize an entire group based on the personality of one person. That's like hating people of a certain ethnic group just because one of them broke into your car once.

Quote3. Get FFS It's expensive, it's quite painful. It's worth every penny. FFS is the difference between having a normal life where you can be employed and move on, and getting stuck in limbo. I paid Dr. Siegel in Boston about $70k for my face, and I am so thankful that I did. 

And, wow, was it painful. For a year it was, get a surgery, recover, get another surgery. It took a huge psychological toll on me - but it's also over. Looking back, I think FFS was more important to my mental well being than GRS.

For some people, it is definitely more important than SRS. I wouldn't have spent $70k on it though. And some people don't need it at all.

Quote4. Get a job So many of us revel in poverty and unemployment. And the economy has collapsed in recent years, which I suspect makes it even worse. But, there is life after transitioning. For myself, I was forced in my late 20s to start a career path I should have started when I was in my early 20s. The clock is ticking. You will have disadvantages, you should get started.

A good idea to have a job, but there's a recession on, you know. Jobs aren't very plentiful. I have a good job that pays me well, but not everyone can find a job right now. Having said that, if a person is just sitting on their butt because they're lazy, then shame on them.

Quote5. Go stealth Don't tell people about your past. Don't have RL transgender friends. Don't post articles about TS issues on FB, though you might feel strongly about it. Again, this is for your own sanity, for your own employment potential, and so you can just be more normal - that's the goal, isn't it? To be like other women? Moving to a new place is a great idea.

Half true. Don't advertise the fact that you're trans if you don't want to, but don't hop into another closet if you don't have to. Remember that the rights we have and are being given are the result of people putting themselves out there and fighting and advocating for them. You can't erase your past, no matter how badly you want to. People WILL be able to dig up your past... your life experiences are what makes you who you are today. Acknowledge your past, but concentrate on who you are NOW, the present and the future.

Quote6. If you are TS, do not have a family before you transition. Generally speaking, the people that transition without families are far more successful than those with families, in my experience. It's drastic how much more successful you will be when you are unfettered by these complications. Maybe it's too late to do anything about this - but if you are reading this before transitioning, PLEASE take this advice.

Too late. But my daughter is the most supportive person in my whole family, so it worked out well. Having said that, those of you who are young... before you hit the hormones too heavily, freeze your sperm, and then rest easy knowing you can always have a biological child.

Quote7. Don't allow yourself to wallow in delusion or excuses.
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This is the biggest one. Delusion and excuses go together with TG like peanut butter and jelly. There is an inevitable "Poor me," period when you transition. You will one day look back on your behavior as immature. The secret is, the people that are successful at this push through the hard choices and move on.

"I don't care if I pass. It's other people's problem, not mine."
"My voice skills are fine."
"I can stay in the closet forever."
"I'm too broke to afford a therapist."
"I don't need electrolysis."
"My family won't understand."

I have all of these countless times, when these people were all deluding themselves. Your success is in your own hands. The government won't help you. You friends will only barely understand. Your medical providers will generally know less than you. You are the only person you can count on. Don't sabotage yourself by choosing to beleive things that are not true, and don't wallow in excuses.

I mainly agree with these.

1. Not passing will make your life more difficult if you're trying to fit in, but if the person doesn't give a crap, then more power to them.

2. If the goal is trying to present oneself as a woman, voice is THE most important thing to work on.

3. This is why I disagree with your post above. You said go completely stealth.. this is being in a different closet than the one we were in, but still a closet. Make peace with the past and move on, but don't forget where you came from.

4. Not everybody needs a therapist, but most people should try and at least have a meeting or two with one, and everyone needs to if they want letters for SRS. I love my therapist.

5. Electrolysis/Laser is necessary if passing as a woman is the goal.


QuoteLife exists after transition. This thing that's eating you alive right now will always be one of your greatest adventures, but it's not going to be your only one. Move through it. Some of us have the courage to push through, many of us are broken along the way. Your destiny is in your own hands.

Yep. :-)
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) Well.......................................................................



1.Work with your therapists.... Yes it makes sense

2. Leave the community...If you feel the need

3. Get FFS ...Yes if after around 18 months of HRT if you still feel uncomfortable with your appearance [and can afford to] by all means do so [But be careful you don't become a 'scalpel junkie'-some trans-people tend to suffer from internalised trans-phobia-they would benefit more from psychiatric help[counselling]  not more surgery

4. Get a job A no brainer...But easier said than done for some

5. Go stealth... If it make you feel safe...However being 'semi-stealth give one room to breath =less claustrophobic living environment

6. If you are TS, do not have a family before you transition. ...For the young trans it makes sense, "prevention is better than cure" Unless that is your partner [pre your transition] is 100% comfortable/supportive

7. Don't allow yourself to wallow in delusion or excuses.... "Work with your therapist"

Metta Zenda :)
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azSam

#51
1: Agree
2: Agree, Agree, Agree
3: Not so much. Not everyone needs FFS
4: Totally
5: I mostly agree
6: Your Mileage May Vary. I am transitioning with my family, and it's going with FLYING COLORS. Actually, I doubt I'd be half as successful without my family.
7: It's true, and I agree with the sentiment.

Overall, I agree with you.
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Forever21Chic



  I agree with the poster. This thread made me step back and actually think of my overall plans for after transition, i'm so glad i read this.  ;D
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blake

The original post may not be the blueprint for everyone, but it's clearly made people think.

I've noticed that there are a lot of posts disagreeing with the OP that say roughly the same thing. I understand that some of us have been riled up by the pathway presented (especially as our pathways are so deeply connected to our deepest identities), and wish to affirm our positions. I'm refraining because, at this point on page 3, the OP might be feeling an ever-suffocating wave of hostility. Her intention was to help.

Smiles  :),

Blake
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jesse

Blake we all understand her attention was to help her choice of words sucks calling it tough love implies that were all ignorant and she is going to be the one to correct us i also see where she said my path meaning her path to transition this too me means the same as in her opinion the problem with this post is this is a support site as well as an info site and making people feel excluded is not supportive nor conductive to good conversation Susan's has always been a supportive site only recently have we begun to see this kind total i dint give a .... about any other persons feelings attitude and i like many others are tired of it.
Jessi
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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kelly_aus

Quote from: blake on October 03, 2011, 03:09:28 PM
The original post may not be the blueprint for everyone, but it's clearly made people think.

I've noticed that there are a lot of posts disagreeing with the OP that say roughly the same thing. I understand that some of us have been riled up by the pathway presented (especially as our pathways are so deeply connected to our deepest identities), and wish to affirm our positions. I'm refraining because, at this point on page 3, the OP might be feeling an ever-suffocating wave of hostility. Her intention was to help.

Smiles  :),

Blake

My issues is that she seems to be saying 'It's my way or the highway'.. It's not my path for sure..
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pretty

I have to agree with the OP. When did being trans become a lifestyle, much less an alternative one? No thanks, I'd like to transition, then put it behind me like I would a healed illness and get on with life.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: pretty on October 04, 2011, 02:44:56 AM
I have to agree with the OP. When did being trans become a lifestyle, much less an alternative one? No thanks, I'd like to transition, then put it behind me like I would a healed illness and get on with life.

+1

I had a bunch of friends get on me for not attending the trans march(who later deleted me on fb). I was like, "Going to a march? What will that solve?" and they got upset at me for simply expressing my opinion. Not saying there needs to be community, for some people they need it. But I didn't want to go and I had to work. I didn't even attend PRIDE.... Living in SF, I was sick of being bombarded with the "lifestyle" and "culture". I am an individual, not part of a collective.

There was also this other incident where I criticized them for putting, "VOTE FOR CHAZ BONO" having lesbian parents, I was bombarded with "support so and so because they are LGBT" growing up. I said straight out, "I DON'T CARE"

I am not gonna support someone because they are LGBT...I am gonna support them for doing what I like and simply being trans or anything for that matter isn't grounds for support. I don't care much for Chaz Bono's "entertainment"...But hey, good for him being his true self. He wasn't very good on "DWTS"... I voted for someone else. Just like I don't like every gay activist or lesbian out there..

As for the rest...no comment. I don't feel I am in the position to comment, because I kinda just live my life. But the OP did put a lot of thoughts into backing up her opinions.

So bravissimo for that!
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Chloe

Quote from: Jen-Jen on October 01, 2011, 04:12:04 AM
  I agree with you! It is admirable. And I also believe if you work hard for it you will succeed. Wow.... you are beautiful and way passable! I can only wish to someday be as passable as you! I am very happy  for you
Jen-Jen I like your AVATAR, do u have more where'd you get it / them from?

I believe the worst thing one can do for a successful transition is spend all one's time on websites talking and arguing it's finer points; We are here to change the world's CLOSED MINDSET rather than let it DEFINE & RESTRICT, the other way around . . .

and THEY are not here for the most part it's mostly only US!

TG's in one form or another have been around since time immemorial, check especially the Old / New Testament if not agreed, and only in the fact that we're all DIFFERENT / UNIQUE - unlike the clearly understood but common meaning of the term "gay" - are we truly special, human and thus worthwhile. What's right for one of us is another NOT. "Beautiful girls" are a dime a dozen nowadays and says little outside of a sense of "personal happiness" more or less fulfilled . . .

We have a perfect right to be here and it's what we do with it that makes the real difference!

(ps added: While lesbian, gay, transgendered has always, up to this point at least, been an insignificant minority making 'lil difference in "the world at large" did it ever occur to you that We could indeed be A Result, "Natures infinitely adaptive wise way" of dealing with what It sees as the greater problem in "society", the stupidly too prolific population at large? )

Know the true beauty in having your own kids? They force you, in spite of all the ways one otherwise "feels", to keep it "real & honest" and not totally deny your ORIGINS always being "dad" to them!
"But it's no use now," thought poor Alice, "to pretend be two people!
"Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person!"
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tekla

When did being trans become a lifestyle, much less an alternative one?

Umm, long before you showed up to claim the title.  It is for some people, and for other trans person it isn't.  I sure would rather have a lifestyle than a miserable existence if that's the choice. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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