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Is FFS overrated?

Started by Constance, April 18, 2011, 02:18:09 PM

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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 04, 2011, 05:18:12 PM
Yeah.  A good FFS surgeon doing the works should have two scars: the hairline (or scalp, if without scalp advancement) and under the nose (for the rhinoplasty).  That's it.

You are talking about very basic facial surgery. My friend had very extensive facial surgery.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 05, 2011, 05:36:37 AM
You are talking about very basic facial surgery. My friend had very extensive facial surgery.

No, I'm talking about full FFS, which is exactly what I had.  My scars from all the jaw surgery are entirely inside my mouth.
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wendy

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 05, 2011, 04:37:18 AM
That said, while, because of the pixie cut I'm currently wearing and my glasses, which mysteriously have some sort of feminizing effect, I normally pass for female even in guys' clothing.  Still, with proper binding and no glasses, I can pull off passing as male.  It's actually not too difficult, even as an otherwise highly passable female, as long as you have a male or sufficiently androgynous voice.

I wear a designer pair of female prescription glasses in either gender.  I have my eyebrows done with electrolysis and they are perfect for a girl.   I never bind my breasts and I need a sports bra or it hurts to walk.  I have less facial hair than a young female.   If I dress in designer jeans and a cute purple flannel female shirt with purple female walking sneakers, I get called Sir 100% of time.  I am not paranoid and people do whisper.  A very close friend that does not know my secret asked me if I was going to gay bar in evening.  I asked him if he only liked to use back door on gay bars.  He got embarrassed and said oh you look trim and very nice in your purple plaid shirt.  In past he has asked me if I shave my legs.  He has made comments regards my breasts.  Not sure if he wants me to tell him truth.

Yes I guess I can pass for a male with FFS without a wig, with neutral clothing and minimal makeup.

However when I wore a pixie wig with blond highlights on front bangs and makeup and nice female clothing I passed.  How do I know?  Because no one looked at me!

I read RLE is hazing for some of us.  It is hazing for me.  With great effort I can pass but then voice will out me.  I know girls that totally pass and talk with a male voice and just do not care.  They tend to be my age or older.  They just don't freaking care what people think any longer.

I would like to one day get on with my life and just pass without a large effort.  FFS offers that opportunity.  Then after that  hair transplants.  Voice is giving me difficulty.
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Meshi

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 04, 2011, 01:10:07 AM
At least he makes a pretty nose. I'm happy with what I got with him, though I'm sorry to hear you had to go through all of those revisions!
Well, it all depends on the person.  You may have been one of the lucky ones, but it is very well talked about thru the TS that have had FFS with him that all his noses are of the same??? style, shape etc and rather an upward nose with larger nasal flares.  Yes, Dr. O is considered the "Father" of FFS but imo he is just getting too old to be doing it cause ive been hearing of alot of unsatisfied prior patients. He was still pretty good about 2-3 yrs ago..but now??  Of course beauty is still in the eyes of the beholder...If your happy, thats all that matters.  If you had FFS done by him you should have a tiny scar on the bottom of the underneath of your chin..Dr O does this to everyone that has chin work..to burr it down and also uses it to do the tracheal shave..He does go through the lower inside of the mouth to do the jawline, so  the little incision underneath the chin almost totally goes away and hardly even noticeable in time. Yes, there are no other scars than that, unless he does a lower  face lift on you later. Many people that have undergone FFS in about 6 months to a year post op will eventually need a lower facelift, because of all the loss of bone will leave loose skin under the  jawline and neck areas.
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Skyanne

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 05, 2011, 05:28:57 AM
No, it wasn't Keith Altman? I've not heard of him where is he based?

He's based just outside of Brighton, I've heard good things and apparently he was on Embarassing Teen Bodies performing FFS. (not sure why!)
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on October 05, 2011, 01:48:56 PM
Well, it all depends on the person.  You may have been one of the lucky ones, but it is very well talked about thru the TS that have had FFS with him that all his noses are of the same??? style, shape etc and rather an upward nose with larger nasal flares.  Yes, Dr. O is considered the "Father" of FFS but imo he is just getting too old to be doing it cause ive been hearing of alot of unsatisfied prior patients. He was still pretty good about 2-3 yrs ago..but now??  Of course beauty is still in the eyes of the beholder...If your happy, thats all that matters.  If you had FFS done by him you should have a tiny scar on the bottom of the underneath of your chin..Dr O does this to everyone that has chin work..to burr it down and also uses it to do the tracheal shave..He does go through the lower inside of the mouth to do the jawline, so  the little incision underneath the chin almost totally goes away and hardly even noticeable in time. Yes, there are no other scars than that, unless he does a lower  face lift on you later. Many people that have undergone FFS in about 6 months to a year post op will eventually need a lower facelift, because of all the loss of bone will leave loose skin under the  jawline and neck areas.

Maybe older patients?  Since I'm 18, I think there's a lot more plasticity to that skin, and I haven't felt any looseness of my skin, at least.
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Constance

I have a friend who had FFS with Dr. O last December and she's satisfied with the results.

AmySmiles

Yeah, and I had mine with Dr. O 3.5 months ago and am also happy with the results.

One thing I've noticed about Dr. Z is that he likes to rag a lot on other surgeons in his presentations.  I know this because he "accidentally" slipped some slides on Dr. O and Dr. Spiegel into his talk at Southern Comfort in 2010.  Any surgeon makes mistakes, and emphasizing a very small minority of cases is a dishonest scare tactic.  Some of his followers go spouting the things he says as fact and before you know it everyone thinks they're true.  That's not to say I think Dr. Z is a bad surgeon - I just think he should stand on his own merits rather than attempting to bring other surgeons down.  And for what it's worth, a lot of his patients look very similar to each other afterwards too.

As for Dr. O - the only 2 externally visible scars I have from a full FFS are along the hairline and under the chin.  Any forehead work goes through the hairline scar.  Chin, jaw, and I think cheek implants go through incisions inside the mouth.  Trach shave goes under the chin.

Regardless of the surgeon doing your face, if you get your chin done you *might* need a lower face lift later.  Older patients need them more often than younger patients, but us young patients may need them when we get older.  Dr. O actually does a sliding genioplasty instead of burring, which can take a good amount off the height without damaging nerves.
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Mahsa Tezani

My friend said that all of Dr. O's patients look like "pixies". I mean plastic surgery is definitely a form of art...
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Forever21Chic

   I don't want the "full package" just slight work done on my forehead and my nose oh and a trach shave lol. I def don't think it's overrated but i do think it's over priced. The average middle class person does not have 30-40k to spend on surgery, most people would probably have to save up for a long time like amysmiles did. I think if i had that kind of cash i still wouldn't op for full FFS cuz i don't need all those things done, it would be a waste.


  Yeah i think it does help boost your confidence but then again saving a few grand would also do that, hello shopping spree!  :D
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 06, 2011, 01:04:53 AM
   I don't want the "full package" just slight work done on my forehead and my nose oh and a trach shave lol. I def don't think it's overrated but i do think it's over priced. The average middle class person does not have 30-40k to spend on surgery, most people would probably have to save up for a long time like amysmiles did. I think if i had that kind of cash i still wouldn't op for full FFS cuz i don't need all those things done, it would be a waste.


  Yeah i think it does help boost your confidence but then again saving a few grand would also do that, hello shopping spree!  :D

I wonder if he's still doing his "Cats" special:
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Constance

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 05, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
My friend said that all of Dr. O's patients look like "pixies". I mean plastic surgery is definitely a form of art...
The work my friend had done was very subtle. In fact, I have to really look hard to see a difference.

Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 05, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
My friend said that all of Dr. O's patients look like "pixies". I mean plastic surgery is definitely a form of art...

No fair.  I should have gotten the pointy-ear surgery done at the same time.
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Constance

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 06, 2011, 01:28:09 PM
No fair.  I should have gotten the pointy-ear surgery done at the same time.
Yeah, but I hear getting the wings to fit under your bra can be tricky.

Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on October 06, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Yeah, but I hear getting the wings to fit under your bra can be tricky.

Psh.  Consequences, schmonsequences.
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wendy

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on October 05, 2011, 01:48:56 PM
Well, it all depends on the person.  You may have been one of the lucky ones, but it is very well talked about thru the TS that have had FFS with him that all his noses are of the same??? style, shape etc and rather an upward nose with larger nasal flares.  Yes, Dr. O is considered the "Father" of FFS but imo he is just getting too old to be doing it cause ive been hearing of alot of unsatisfied prior patients. He was still pretty good about 2-3 yrs ago..but now??  Of course beauty is still in the eyes of the beholder...If your happy, thats all that matters.  If you had FFS done by him you should have a tiny scar on the bottom of the underneath of your chin..Dr O does this to everyone that has chin work..to burr it down and also uses it to do the tracheal shave..He does go through the lower inside of the mouth to do the jawline, so  the little incision underneath the chin almost totally goes away and hardly even noticeable in time. Yes, there are no other scars than that, unless he does a lower  face lift on you later. Many people that have undergone FFS in about 6 months to a year post op will eventually need a lower facelift, because of all the loss of bone will leave loose skin under the  jawline and neck areas.

I personally know a number of Dr. O patients that had surgery 2010 or later.  They look fine.  However Dr. O goes more for feminization than beauty.  Sometimes a masculine feature is very pretty or at least striking on a female and vice versa.

Michelle do you have some weight management tips and body training tips?  I have lost a lot of muscle and weight past six years but my calfs are one inch bigger and I was trying to get them smaller.
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Rebekah with a K-A-H

Quote from: wendy on October 07, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
I personally know a number of Dr. O patients that had surgery 2010 or later.  They look fine.  However Dr. O goes more for feminization than beauty.  Sometimes a masculine feature is very pretty or at least striking on a female and vice versa.

Michelle do you have some weight management tips and body training tips?  I have lost a lot of muscle and weight past six years but my calfs are one inch bigger and I was trying to get them smaller.

Probably, yeah, but don't underestimate the great feeling that comes with being able to wear your hair short and not get misgendered!  I've been thinking of going even shorter than mine is now, and I'm so glad I don't have to worry about my hair "giving me away".
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on October 06, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
Yeah, but I hear getting the wings to fit under your bra can be tricky.

Not when you're not part cyborg.
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SandraJane

Masha, why not make a visit to Dr O's, it sounds like you live pretty close to SF or in the Bay area. Maybe bring back some "Pixie Dust" or "Borg Implants". :laugh:
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wendy

Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 07, 2011, 04:35:17 PM
Probably, yeah, but don't underestimate the great feeling that comes with being able to wear your hair short and not get misgendered!  I've been thinking of going even shorter than mine is now, and I'm so glad I don't have to worry about my hair "giving me away".

I have a nice wig that has a Pixie cut and has short brown hair on sides and sweeping blond in middle.  Real nice.  People thought it was my hair.  Got a pixie on my real hair today and it looks nice but it looks male.  Ms. Wonder you look real feminine.

I have been chatting with Dr. Z's office.  Hopefully I will visit him next month and he can fix nose and advance scalp 1.5 inches on sides.
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