I wear 100 percent women's clothes pants , tops , bras everyday would not have it any other way but have no desire to look like a girl could not pass anyway. what does that make me on the t.g. scale ?

I think it makes you Andy.

Not trying to be evasive.  But that's the best answer I know.

Love,
Kristi

As i see it - every single person on the planet falls at a uniquely different point on the spectrum of gender and/or sexual expression/identity - although many would possibly strongly disagree with this...

The spectrum is as large as the entire human race - some six billion or more uniquely different points, and everyone is entitled to relate or identify as they so wish, or so do, as an individual. I dont see that there is, or necessarily should be, a "scale" per se. 

Where ever you are at this moment in your life as an individual is exactly where you are with it, no more and no less.

i don't think it should be subject to classification or subjective labeling of any sort, unless you pursue a "clinically" "correct" "course" of some form of transgender "transition", and would therefore need the appropriate professional support and testing to determine this by "acceptable" psychological or psychiatric standards of care for transitioning individuals.

If you are comfortable with your self-expression and desires in this manner, and at this specific point or time in your life, that is strictly your choice as an individual and not appropriately subject to judgement or "classification" by any other, unless you need to find other forms of validation for your situation.

If you consider yourself as a CD(crossdresser) in any form, i believe that this represents that possibility that you posess some, possibly even many "transgender" chracteristics in some way or another, and this seems to have as many differing degrees of intensity of personal expression depending on the individual - again - back to the spectrum and where any individual falls along this quite vast line.

As you said yourself, you seem to have no real strong desire to change your gender, and therefore where you fall along this line is not nearly as deep or intense as many others, myself included, that are deeply compelled to seek greater "self-congruence" via complete (or partial) change of gender identity in this life.

You are where you are at this moment - if this gives you pleasure, satisfaction, comfort, or other form of personal comfort from within yourself, that is only for you to judge, reconcile within yourself, and share with others as you see fit or are able.

As long as you don't pursue a path of choice that tramples on another's rights of freedom of self-expression, or in any way has a destructiveley negative impact on other's lives as you go about your business - it is for you and no one else to decide... There is no scale that i am aware of, and even if there is, i would be strongly inclined to argue against the merits of such, as people change and grow and reach different places within themselves at different times in our lives.

Sincerely,


ChefAnnagirl

Quoteaccording to the harry benjamin scale;

http://www.twentyclub.org/docs/bscale.html

you're a [->-bleeped-<-]

I'm personally not at all fond of the HB scale, I believe there is much more variation than that describes, however if one is using that to define people, he lists 3 levels  of TV and also one level of non surgical TS. Quoted from above link.

QuoteTYPE IV - Transsexual - Non-Surgigal

    * Gender "feeling" : Uncertain Wavering between TV and TS. May reject "gender".
    * Dressing Habits and Social Life : "Dresses" often as possible with insufficient relief of gender discomfort. May live as man or as a woman.
    * Sex Object Choice and Sex Life : Libido low. Genrally asexual or autoerotic.May be bisexual.
    * Conversion Operation (SRS) : Attractive but not required.
    * Hormone Therapy/Estrogen Therapy : Needed for comfort & emotioal balance.
    * Psychotherapy : Only as guidance, most often refused and unsuccessful.
    * Remarks : Social life dependant on circumstances. Often identifies as "transgenderist".

zythyra

Quote from: andy6432668 on March 03, 2007, 03:19:29 PM
I wear 100 percent women's clothes pants , tops , bras everyday would not have it any other way but have no desire to look like a girl could not pass anyway. what does that make me on the t.g. scale ?

Welcome to Susan's, Andy.

I was going to ask why you wore bras, but I saw you mentioned in another thread that you have some natural breast growth, so that explains that.

There's no one "TG scale" and a lot of the models people have advanced are pretty poor explanations anyway.

There's nothing wrong with wearing clothes marketed to the opposite sex without pretending to be the opposite sex.  People do it all the time.  Plenty of women like the fit of "men's" pants better, and vice versa.  But I think a lot of men who like, say, skirts decide that the only way they can wear them is to pretend to be female, because there's still the idea (although I think it's starting to break down) that "only women wear skirts and dresses," (and there are other clothes in this category) which has outlived its counterpart that "only men wear pants."

So I don't think what you've said necessarily makes you anything other than a man who has some natural breast growth and who likes clothes that happen to be sold to women.  But only you know how you feel, so ultimately only you can decide what you are.

I would say a bit depends on what Andy feels his/her gender is.  If Andy feels male deep down, that seems to lie in a realm other than TV/CD/TS.  And if Andy feels female (regardless of whether the rest of the world believes it), well, I guess it's some sort of TG, although I can't put my finger on precisely which type.

I feel more like a woman inside if I had the looks and was not loseing my hair I could live full time as a woman. I would never go for a sex change as I could never date a man don't have anything against gays but it is not for me thro I wish I was born a woman maybe in the next life. just let me add so i don't get mis understood I know after sex change one is a woman and it is great but in my mind I could not so please don't mis understand me everyone has to choose what is best and should be accepted in whatever they choose.

Quote from: andy6432668 on March 04, 2007, 05:11:04 PM
I feel more like a woman inside if I had the looks and was not loseing my hair I could live full time as a woman. I would never go for a sex change as I could never date a man don't have anything against gays but it is not for me thro I wish I was born a woman maybe in the next life.

Well, let's point out something very important here.  Let's not confuse gender identity with sexual orientation.  Let's call this imaginary person John Doe, ok?.  If John Doe is a woman trapped in a man's body, transitions and has SRS, John Doe is now Jane Doe; if Jane Doe likes and dates men, that does not make her gay, for Jane Doe's gender identity is female and not male.  However, if Jane Doe is attracted to females, then yes she will be considered a male to female transsexual lesbian.

tinkerbell

Thanks for clearing it up sometimes I just stick my foot in my mouth I understand sexual orientation and gender identity is not the same. It is that for me and me only meaning no offence to anyone since I was born male if I had sex change could not date a male that is just my personal feeling. I just want to thank Tinkerbell and every one here for the correnspondance.

Quote from: andy6432668 on March 04, 2007, 05:46:39 PM
Thanks for clearing it up sometimes I just stick my foot in my mouth I understand sexual orientation and gender identity is not the same. It is that for me and me only meaning no offence to anyone since I was born male if I had sex change could not date a male that is just my personal feeling. I just want to thank Tinkerbell and every one here for the correnspondance.

A MTF transsexual does not "have" to like men after she transitions; actually there are many MTF transsexuals who are lesbians, and that is perfectly fine.

tinkerbell