wanna to know what will happen to you in my country if you are gay or lesbian or trans
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Wow Jossef I hope you manage to keep yourself safe and never give your country the satisfaction of executing you. Bring trans is hard enough and I'm sure being trans in your country is a 100 times worse. I hope you manage to stay strong, patient, and find a way to transition safely.

Oh God....Where is it that you live?

I really want to look into this. I'm a Global Studies major looking to go into Global Conflict Resolution. This seems like the sort of thing that really needs more publicity...

Quote from: TheAwesomePrussia on October 07, 2011, 08:04:36 PM
Oh God....Where is it that you live?

I really want to look into this. I'm a Global Studies major looking to go into Global Conflict Resolution. This seems like the sort of thing that really needs more publicity...

He lives in a middle eastern country.  I think the second picture is from Iran.

I figured that much. The pictures were from an Arabic site.
But it would be easier if I could find resources in English or German.

I don't suppose there is any way to edit the title to add a trigger warning? That's not exactly something that everyone wants to stumble upon, and the title doesn't currently give you much of an idea as to what the topic is. 

Quote from: Brendon on October 07, 2011, 10:30:24 PM
I don't suppose there is any way to edit the title to add a trigger warning? That's not exactly something that everyone wants to stumble upon, and the title doesn't currently give you much of an idea as to what the topic is. 

I was just coming to say that actually.  If he goes and modify's his post he can change the title to include a warning or I think a mod could do it.

Wow I'm so srry. Are you planning on getting out of it?

hey guys thnx for the replies . would not say exactly where I live because of personal reasons, but I live in  an Arab country,  This happens in almost every Arab country . the first pic is rom my country, the second its two young gay men been hanged  and the third  pic is  a mass murder to gay people .
and for u guys who ask me i i can getting out of this country i cant friends as i said last night i dont have a job wich mean i dont have money to emigration.
and tnx guys for support and advices you keep tell me tnx or everything and again you all my family
love u guys
PEACE

I will point out one tiny thing. In many Middle Eastern countries where being gay is illegal, gays and lesbians are opting to transition, even without any sort of dysphoria. The reason why, is because you're less likely to get killed being a "fully transitioned" trans person in a heterosexual relationship than being gay.

There has been a push from LGBT organizations to the UN to create a sort of international civil rights law where gay people can't be killed by their governments  for being gay. I'm not sure if this has been brought up again recently, or what's been going on with that. Awhile back I remember there wasn't enough representatives willing to vote yes.

Jossef-

that is horrible, i cant even imagine what ur life must be like.. im sorry ur country is so anti queer.. 

Could you try political asylum? I'm not completely familiar with it but I think Arab countries have embassies.

he'd have to get to the country first then apply for asylum.. like if he came to the UK as a visitor but stayed, then turn himself into immigration, he would be granted to live here..

If anyone has issues regarding persecuted for being Trans, Lesbian or Gay in Arab or Muslim countries and wants advice on UK asylum please PM me and I will do my best to to put them in contact with someone who can advise them.

Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Yemen, Iran, all have death penalty for homosexuality, and transsexuality (if there's a complete sex change surgery) is only legal in Iran.

Personally I don't think photos like that were called for...in fact i feel that in showing these pictures these people are being humiliated and disrespected yet again, even in dying.
Everyone would have gotten your point if you'd instead just said what is going on.
I hope there's someone reading this that can offer any kind of real help,...most of us will have no idea of the options and resources available (especially if you're not naming the country you live in)

To roughly paraphrase the Qur'an from memory: To kill a single human being is to kill all humanity, to save a single human being is to save all humanity.

Whoever ordered and whoever committed these murders will have to face God and His judgement.

im sorry I didnt got to read it correctly so I misunderstood the threat for a short time,
I hope its forgiven.

I know a mtf friend who has famely in a country where she will get killed for being trans.
she cant visit them anymore, as she stay in my country, and even here she feel limited by the goverment,
shes not getting killed for who she is but she still fell stucked down by the rules.
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I think there is hope even for you,
there often small holes in the system who can make it posible but there hard to find.

my worries are more the fact about your biological gender.
you wont mention excacly where your from but if your under a place where women dosent have much right then it could also be hard to get a job and money to make the steps you would need.

I hope you find a way,

I believe Jossef has said before, in another thread, that the reason he isn't leaving the country is because he has to take care of his family.
And I don't think it's disrespectful to show the pictures here. It would be disrespectful to show them to, say, an anti-queer community. But not here. Here, their death is respected, and mourned. We see it differently than those who support it. I honestly think that for some people, this is really the kind of imagery we need to see for it to really sink in how lucky we are, and how many problems this world still has. And perhaps one day it will reach the eyes of a person who has the power to do something about it.
Pushing it under the carpet like dust, and refusing to acknowledge it, seems to me, far more disrespectful.

This is the real world, not every country respects people's rights.     

There are no rights in the Middle East, for women, gays, lesbians, trans and anyone who stands up for them. Very, very sad.

maybe leaving the country could still be the option to put in the back of your head,  the one dream that makes you carry on and keeps you from....doing what you were talking about last night. there may come a way to save some money, little by little, and over time....or else, maybe you'll stumble across another way to make life worth living. then also, things might change where you live (as it happened in so many middle eastern countries just months ago)...none of these things are gonna happen today or tomorrow, but many before you have waited half their lives, or much longer than that, but survived, and managed to transition at some point.... maybe some years from now you won't need to support your family.... and many countries grant asylum to lgbt refugees.

QuoteI honestly think that for some people, this is really the kind of imagery we need to see for it to really sink in how lucky we are

really? you need photos of dead people hanging from ropes to feel that the glass is half full? well then. whatever helps...i guess that's what you're saying.
by the way there was no warning notice when i first looked at the thread. when i see photos of holocaust victims, i don't feel happy to live in a different time - i feel sadness, and upsetting, overwhelming helplessness, that's all. when i see these pictures, i don't feel lucky to live in a different place - me living in a different place didn't save their lives.