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Will "Occupy Wall Street" Stick?

Started by Julie Marie, October 07, 2011, 04:48:34 AM

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Cindy

So,
Let me present this.

You have been happy to be willing to live in a 'democratic' system, that isn't. Because it is owned by BIG money. You live in a powerful country, which, very sadly and unfairly, is becoming loathed by many other countries. You have committed your young people to protect others and something else that I cannot place my finger on, and watched them be killed. 

Your  economy is bad. Your poor are so poor it is even an embarrassment to an Australian who watches her Govt. mistreatment of Aboriginal as terrible. 

Your 'middle class' exists to support the rich.

What is going on?

What has happened to the USA?

Sorry
Cindy
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Gadgett

Quote from: Cindy James on October 12, 2011, 04:48:49 AM
What has happened to the USA?

Sorry
Cindy

Well I'm not surprised.

What can you really say when you have a people who are trying to pull the country in 3 different directions.
Scott Kelley: You guys are here on a good day.
Zak Bagans: What's that suppost to mean?
Scott Kelley: The building will talk to you today."
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Julie Marie

The USA is still the good ol' USA.  This is just a pendulum swing and I think it's reached the top of the swing. 

What we have right now is a Republican party that lost its conservative common sense and is catering to the serious right wing fringe and a Democrat party that is acting like the Republican party of not so long ago.  And its all fueled by capitalism on steroids.  Also, our politicians are catering to the mega rich because our campaign laws allow them, and anyone else from anywhere in the world, to donate without limitations to political campaigns.  That's a real problem.

But it is possible the pendulum hasn't reached the top of the swing.  The voters have to decide that.  If they keep being sucked in my slick political ads and the belief any sort of government intervention is bad, well, it's going to be a while before things get getter.
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gennee

One of the activities I'm involved in is educating people about particular issues. Whenever the opportunity presents itself I can use the facts and the science to back up what I'm saying. There's so much misinformation out there.

Lately, the talking heads are spewing nonsense about the dangers of taking vitamins and supplements. This is bogus nonsense because the medical establishment, which is corrupt and a criminal organization, want to destroy the nutrient industry and organic farms and the alternative fields. Why? So we will be forced to see their doctors and take their pills. Ovr half the medicine approved by the FDA has killed more people than all the wars the US has been in, combined.
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Jen61

Quote from: Cindy James on October 12, 2011, 04:48:49 AM
So,
Let me present this.

You have been happy to be willing to live in a 'democratic' system, that isn't. Because it is owned by BIG money. You live in a powerful country, which, very sadly and unfairly, is becoming loathed by many other countries. You have committed your young people to protect others and something else that I cannot place my finger on, and watched them be killed. 

Your  economy is bad. Your poor are so poor it is even an embarrassment to an Australian who watches her Govt. mistreatment of Aboriginal as terrible. 

Your 'middle class' exists to support the rich.

What is going on?

What has happened to the USA?

Sorry
Cindy

We are the Roman Empire re-incarnated, with subsidiaries in every country and every continent. Truly the first global empire.

Abe President

Jen61
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JungianZoe

Whatever happens, this guy's buttcrack will stick around the internet for a long time:

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Amazon D

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tekla

What has happened to the USA?

Nothing that you'll ever be able to figure out by watching the media.
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tekla

Seems like a good place to post this.  As it's a real American talking about America. 



Forget the politicians.  The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice ... you don't.

You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They've long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear

They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying ... lobbying, to get what they want ... Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don't want ... they don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking.

They don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that ... that doesn't help them. That's against their interests. That's right. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they're getting ->-bleeped-<-ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 ->-bleeped-<-in' years ago. They don't want that.

You know what they want? They want obedient workers ... Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly ->-bleeped-<-tier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your ->-bleeped-<-in' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They'll get it ... they'll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this ->-bleeped-<-in' place. It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club.

By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care.

Good honest hard-working people ... white collar, blue collar it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means ... continue to elect these rich ->-bleeped-<-s who don't give a ->-bleeped-<- about you. They don't give a ->-bleeped-<- about you ... they don't give a ->-bleeped-<- about you. They don't care about you at all ... at all ... at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their ->-bleeped-<-s everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it ...

George Carlin, 1937-2008
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: tekla on October 13, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
George Carlin, 1937-2008

Even after his death, Carlin remains the best source of political commentary and knowledge.

Actually, he is the best source for all kinds of knowledge.
"The cake is a lie."
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tekla

He was always amazingly funny and fantastically insightful.  But in the few years before his death, when he knew he was dying (from about 2005 on) he really took off the gloves.  No longer worried about fortune, or fame, or what anyone else thought, he was really free to say exactly what he was thinking, and it's pretty crystal clear stuff.

The 2005, Life is Worth Losing, and the 2008, It's Bad for Ya are masterpieces of comedy as social commentary - or perhaps social commentary as comedy.


but I'll tell you what they don't want ... they don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking.
I think on much of what Carlin says in the above often.  I find it remarkable that very few people (and basically none except those who had parents who took it on themselves) under the age of 30 received anything even remotely near the education that the people in here 55 and over got when they were young.  Not even in the same ballpark, hell, not even in the same league.  Those people reading this who are going through college right now are not going to graduate college with the same level of education and critical thinking skills that Cindy James had leaving high school.  And you better be thinking long and hard about exactly why you were chosen (and who made those decisions) to be The Dimmest Generation.  Better ask long (and real hard) how come my grade/high school/college education was an extremely important matter of national security - so much so that the Federal Government paid for most of my college and grad school - and why your education is considered so trivial, except as an increasingly long term form of financial suicide.
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Cindy



So cynicism, despair and hope that it all goes away, is now  the USA way. 

George Carlin was so correct and yet he has not provoked a reaction. I remember well that piece. It inspired me in my life to be active and to try and support the life that I want, and the freedom I think, people should have.

You do have the power to change things.

You have a vote.

OK neither of the major parties are any different except in who owns them.

But can't you start from the grass roots? It will take time, but that is possibly all you have left.

The Roman Empire was destroyed by its corruption and its inability to defend itself because it had spread too far and the power people who ran it forgot about people.

Sounds familiar.

Cindy 
 
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Amazon D

The only way we can beat their game is for everyone to vote them out or stop playing their game. i decided to stop playing their game as much as possible. As for everyone voting them out thats not gonna happen because yes people are too dumbed down or follow after issues like abortion or gay rights etc etc. ..  As yahshua said worry not for all things here on earth, but plan for eternity above.. and in the mean time, care for all, as if they were your brothers and sisters..
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tekla

Carlin, and his almost direct decedent Bill Hicks (who tragically died much too soon), had little effect as you see it, because as I see it they were preaching to the choir.  Frank Zappa too, who was much more intellectual, and brutal, in his discourse.  Yet the fact that they had that huge choirs to preach to is what you are missing.

To view America (as you must because you are not here, and others who do live here that largely see it that way because they are lazy and intellectually vapid) only from the other side of a TV set is pretty much like thinking you know all about all women because you saw a porno movie.  Because that media is it's own pornography.  It's a pornography of greed, materialism, power and status set in a white, Protestant middle/upper middle class landscape.  And, just like learning that women love hot sex from the porno is true enough, but hardly the only thing, or important thing in understanding them, what you are seeing is true to a degree, but only a degree, and there are 360 of those in a full circle, and you are not seeing the other 359.  You are not seeing them because they are not covered accurately (if at all) in the media, and many of them being very media savvy know enough to avoid the media at all costs.  There are many different types of communities, ranging from the Amish, to counter-cultural influenced, to visionary attempts at utopia in America, and not just now, but at every point in our history.

Cynicism is a hallmark of American culture, it's what we were founded upon, and it's why change is more possible here than in any other place.  And not minor changes, sweeping and often disruptive change.  Did not the Greek cynics reject power, wealth and fame in search of a simple life because only in living in agreement with nature can people be happy.  They held that most problems were the result of the worthless and dangerous conventions and antiquated notions of customs that society used to prop itself up.  I'm pretty much down with that.  And if you are using it in the more modern and conventional meaning: people who think that others actions derive from purely selfish motives - well this site is pretty much a shrine to that idea.  But for sure our Founding Fathers frequently used the term 'enlightened self-interest' to describe what should motivate political decisions, and I see no trouble with that either, it part of being responsible.  When we move away from that, basing decisions on what ancient texts, superstitions, or 'our betters' say or think (or what some preacher in brown shoes thinks they say) we move away from good decisions and end up embracing really ->-bleeped-<-ty ones.  And, no doubt, we've got plenty of them to undo - starting with the 'corporations are people too' idiocy, which goes back to the 1880, so it's not a new problem.

But I see no despair from those other 359 degrees, that despair comes almost exclusively from that 1 degree that the media represents (invents?) who now find that they have built a lot of castles in the sand, and can no longer deny the tide is coming in. Most of the people who voted in the last election cast their ballot for a pretty radical choice, one that was totally unimaginable only a short time ago.  The joy was electric, if short lived because of that entire meet the new boss, same as the old boss problem.  On the other hand, many of the people who did not vote for Obama woke up and found that the brother from another mother was about to move into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and basically their heads exploded.  It was a national tombstone on their treasured white supremacy nonsense, and knowing that their dream, their way of life was over, well it had to be troubling. 

And far from hoping it all goes away, we are seeing a groundswell of people working to ensure that it does.  Times they are a changing.

Oh, by the way, what would the reaction of the Australian government and police be to the occupation of it's financial sector, or like in Wisconsin, people occupying the seat of government? 
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Julie Marie

Might as well hear the man speak it...

When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Julie Marie

But here's a man who uses his brain...

When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Jen61

Quote from: tekla on October 13, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
Seems like a good place to post this.  As it's a real American talking about America. 
Good honest hard-working people ... white collar, blue collar it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means ... continue to elect these rich ->-bleeped-<-s who don't give a <not allowed> about you. They don't give a <not allowed> about you ... they don't give a <not allowed> about you. They don't care about you at all ... at all ... at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their ->-bleeped-<-s everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it ...

George Carlin, 1937-2008

You thing it is bad in the USA, try the any of the "workers paradise," or any other place for that matter. Do let me know waht they say about "Miranda rigths"

jen61
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tekla

Oh though I've never been to a workers paradise I did spend a few years traveling the world for one of those companies that are at the apex of building (literally) that American Empire by either exploiting (raping is really a better word) their natural resources or building crap for them that was sinking those nations further in massive unpayable debt.*  So I got to travel through the Third World where our sites were often armed camps like Fort Apache in Africa or Indonesia.  And I also enjoyed the hospitality of The Kingdom, and if you want to understand how radical maldistribution of wealth (and that's what the Wall Street 99% vs 1% protests are about) creates a 100% totally ->-bleeped-<-ed-up ->-bleeped-<-hole, where a very few live in unimaginable luxury and never lift a finger (does it go without saying that they are about the most personally horrible human beings you'll ever meet?) while the people doing all the real work live a thousand percent worse than your housepets, all kept under control by a  primitive desert religion in combination with advanced police state tactics  - well you need look no further than Saudi Arabia.  It's pretty much the worst place on earth that I've ever been to.

But the analogy that someplace is worse is not relevant.  It's like saying you are a great person because your neighbor beats his wife so bad she ends up in the hospital, but you only slap yours around every couple of days.


And, I think that you to a huge degree, and even Cindy to some degree miss a point that I didn't think was all that subtle, but if there has ever been a place that has an extremely difficult time with comedy, it's Susan's, so let me try.  When Carlin talks about 'you' he is using a royal you, not one directed at his audience.  Matter of fact, not only does his audience agree with him, (which is why they buy the tickets and watch the specials, and buy his books and all that), but they are - well beyond agreeing - laughing at those who don't see what they see is as clear as day.  And, the fact that his choir is so large is a testament to how wide-spread this feeling is in reality, even though you rarely see it in the media, because that's most certainty not the America they want to cover, or sell to.

What is going on is that a whole lot of people who really love Desiderata, with all that warm, fuzzy 'it's all about me!' pandering that ends with the epic: You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should are finding out that the alternate version which ends with, You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back is probably closer to the eternal truth.

After all, life is a comedy to those that think and a tragedy to those that feel.  And all those people laughing are thinking, and a lot of stuff is hitting a critical mass.





* - Every American who does not understand how much - or why - so much of the world hates us that they can applaud when terrorism hits us needs to start with Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins.  It's not an Alpha-Omega explanation, but it's sure to be an eye-opening start.
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Jen61

In a serious note we (and the rest of the world) just reflects the asymmetry between technological development and sociological  evolution. We have not change, no different than what was going on 3 million years in the rift valley.The smart and more powerful men ruled. The clown, morons,and lazies begged and did menial things to earn their meat.

Yet the com pasion and ability to transcend this human atavism exist; how we change from Fareigee to Federation ?

Jen61

PS I work for your previous maters Tekla, and as long as I deliver the goods they do not give a s.. about my heels or my panties.
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tekla

When I worked at Bechtel it was amazingly gay.  Bechtel loved to hire gay men because they didn't have the same kind of responsibilities that straight married men do.  If the company need them to drop everything and get on the next flight to almost anywhere in the world for an uncertain amount of time it was never as much of a problem for them as some guy who had a wife and kids at home.  When I did my national security clearance deal I was told to be straight up and tell the truth about everything.  The crossdressing was no problem because everyone knew (one reason why stealth sucks), and as long as everyone knew I couldn't be blackmailed with it, that's all they were concerned about.  And the dress code was based on construction sites pretty much.  I had a suit at my office in case I had to go over the HQ where it was expected that we would dress as corporate whores professionals, but at my office two blocks away, and at the vault I supervised if you were wearing clothing, well, good enough.


And there are two things at work here that few people understand both sides of (if they even understand one side).  First, inside the United States if you are not working for the Federal Government or in the military or working for a major contractor, your exposure to it is pretty much confined to the Post Office, getting a passport, and social security/medicare when you get old.  Inside the US there really is no massive sweeping Federal presence, it's nothing at all like any other country where the national government is pretty much the only government.  That's why all that cultural crap that the extreme right wing brought with them has been so disruptive as they seek to impose on a national level things that had always been up to the states.  It's all but impossible for anyone outside the US to really understand how radically different the states and regions are.

And, while most Americans have so little contact with the Feds, they don't see that where the federal government of the US has not really massively grown in their own lives it has expanded to massive levels throughout the rest of the world.  In partnership with the large multi-national corporations (the flag follows the dollar) the US government exercises enormous power elsewhere, and combined with the incredibly corrosive presence of American Media it has destroyed traditional values, cultures, and societies all around the world, all for the sake of corporate profits, and left in its wake nothing of value to the people who resided there.
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