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Started by Princess of Hearts, September 26, 2011, 09:20:38 PM

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Princess of Hearts

I have been trying to open another bank account - my current one is unsatisfactory - and I can't believe what banks demand these days.   They seem to want you to deposit a minimum of £1000($1800) each and every month and they now charge a monthly fee for the privilege of having an account.  The other option available is just as restrictive.   You get a 'no-frills' service, which means no counter service, and you cannot withdraw less than £300 at a time, which is about $580.
The banks' attitude is 'take it or leave it!'   I have applied to Barclays but I have a feeling that I will be turned down as they now require you to submit to a credit reference check and a work reference check.   On top of this they require me to go to them with a full British passport and a second piece of official documentation.
I can remember a time when all the banks had accounts you could open with just an initial deposit of £1.00.   All this Byzantine Soviet Union stuff came in around the time - pre crazed Arabs - when we were also supposed to be terrified of crazed international drug lords.    :laugh:

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Nemo

Try this one: http://www.co-operativebank.co.uk/servlet/Satellite/1193206368227,CFSweb/Page/Bank-CurrentAccounts

I use Cashminder to avoid the credit check (my rating's lousy) - although you don't have a cheque book or overdraft, you still get online/phone banking, a debit card *and* over the counter service - not just at the bank either, you can use the Post Office too :)


New blog in progress - when I conquer my writer's block :P
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Annah

wow thats pretty rough

My bank in the US all you need is 20 dollars to deposit into the account. Debit cards are free and no monthly charge and they have online banking too. And you can have counter service.

Seems like the banks in the UK are a wee bit restrictive.
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blake

Quote from: Princess of Hearts on September 26, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
I have been trying to open another bank account - my current one is unsatisfactory - and I can't believe what banks demand these days.   They seem to want you to deposit a minimum of £1000($1800) each and every month and they now charge a monthly fee for the privilege of having an account.  The other option available is just as restrictive.   You get a 'no-frills' service, which means no counter service, and you cannot withdraw less than £300 at a time, which is about $580.
The banks' attitude is 'take it or leave it!'   I have applied to Barclays but I have a feeling that I will be turned down as they now require you to submit to a credit reference check and a work reference check.   On top of this they require me to go to them with a full British passport and a second piece of official documentation.
I can remember a time when all the banks had accounts you could open with just an initial deposit of £1.00.   All this Byzantine Soviet Union stuff came in around the time - pre crazed Arabs - when we were also supposed to be terrified of crazed international drug lords.    :laugh:

I'm having the same problem with banks, and it really p****s me off because:
(a) They are arrogantly choosy about who they will "allow" to lend them money.
(b) They set ridiculously high demands about how much you must lend them, and how often.
(c) If you don't satisfy the demand, you get fined heavily.
(d) If you do satisfy the demand, you get £0.13 interest.

No wonder they say that people are more likely to get a divorce than to switch banks.
At least with the former can you bet on a semi-decent deal being out there!  :D
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Princess of Hearts

I have opened a current account with the Cooperative Bank.   They are even going to give me an Electron card whatever that is.   I haven't heard from Barclays.

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spacial

I've heard of some of the problems people are having. Free banking came about many years ago, largely because the Scottish banks did it and began to make Accounts in England, easier to open. I think this was in the early 70s, but I can't be sure. But I do know, they have been trying to roll the whole thing back ever since.

The thing is with the banks is they are basically maintaining a lie. The lie being that private accounts don't make them any money and they run them almost as a favour. They seem to be trying to maintain an image of struggling with problems while simultainously accepting responsibility for causing the recession by lending money to private customers.

The reality is, without private bank accounts and especially, cash payment cards, the money suppy would be considerably more static. A static money supply equals recession and a recession is to a bank what petrol shortage is to the car industry.

Claims that they only make money from their big investment arms are a nonsense. (ie a lie). The big investment arms make very little when there is a recession, apart from a small minority who basically move their capital around.

Private bank accounts, as well as keeping the money supply moving, also provide the starting point for almost every entrepenure. They provide a base from which the banks can lend money. Some of those investments become major. An indication of this is that I still have an enormous overdraft facility, where I only need pay for the interest. Almost everyone with a bank account does. If the banks were losing so much on private accounts, that would be the first thing they could cut. It's not as if people won't still go into the red all the time.

Bill Gates had to buy his first computer. He would almost certainly have needed loans. Banks thrive on loans. Small beans for individual customers, but they mount up to a major source of revenue.

The real reason banks are putting the squeeze in private bank accounts is to force governments to let them, (the nationalised banks) split themselves into parts and for governments to maintain some guarantees, thus taking the pressure off. Especially if they mess up again. The banks, from the mid 70s onward have pressured governments and employers to pay directly into banks. Even some welfare payments. We need a bank account. Now that they've foirced that one us, they want to up the anti, in their favour.

I appreciate this all sounds so conspiratorial, but if you think about it, it's all fairly obvious. Our governments have got themselves in up to their necks over their bail out of banks.

It preposterus to suggest that the recession was caused by a few bad loans in the US. The obvious reality is that the enormous weath accumulated was squandered bombing Iraq and Afghanistan back to the stone age. Anyone with a basic knowledge of economic history can tell you that there is always a recession after a major conflict.

Every war is basically the same story. Governments go in, gung ho, full of confidence. Things never work out as they plan, mainly because war opponents stubbornly refuse to surrender when anticipated. Costs rise and that means borrowing. This is so predictable its a matter of record.

What is strange is that the press seems so willing to go along with this. In the immidiate term, we are gradually being pushed onto a smaller number of banks.
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mimpi

Cooperative Bank are one of the better ones here in the UK, only issue is their relatively small number of branches which isn't really a problem with ATMs etc.

Visa Electron and Visa Debit cards are similar to the old Solo and Switch cards. Visa Electron does not have the overdraft facility and is somewhat less widely accepted than Visa Debit especially abroad. When I had Switch which didn't work much abroad I used a pre-paid Mastercard Debit card which seemed to work everywhere. Fairly sure the issuer was 'CashPlus'.
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spacial

Just found this:

QuoteOnline Banking Keeps Customers on Hook for Fees

Tedd Speck, a 49-year-old market researcher in Kent, Conn., was furious about Bank of America's planned $5 monthly fee for debit card use.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/business/online-banking-keeps-customers-on-hook-for-fees.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha3

So, after virtually forcing us to use banks over a number of years, to the extent that electronic money is now an accepted part of daily life, the banks will, increasingly be taking a cut of whatever we have. There's nothing we can do.

It's time like these I'm kinda happy about being utterly broke.  :laugh:

But seriously, those under 40 will do well to look for other arrangements. Those over 40 should do the same, but perhaps a little differently.
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Princess of Hearts

Islamic banks may be the answer.

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mimpi

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Quote from: Princess of Hearts on October 16, 2011, 04:23:32 PM
Islamic banks may be the answer.

I've had an Islamic bank account in the past when living in Africa. Was poor at the time and Standard Chartered refused me an account so it was by necessity. Best and simplest banking experience I've ever had and the super cute hijabi cashiers all dressed in green were lovely.

The British Islamic Bank doesn't convince me though.

http://www.islamic-bank.com/
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spacial

I'm pretty sure there are a number of options. Citing Islamic banks is especially useful as it's an example which many might not have thought of at first.

What will be really foolish is to do nothing. The warning signs are there. The bigger banks especially, as going to be turning the screws, increasingly.

Complaining of too few branches, complications, having to write to debitors or creditors, these are excuses. That some companies refuse to deal with some banks is their problem.

Do nothing ans suffer the consequences.

Personally, I'm spreading my risks around. I don't have a lot to work with right now, but what I have I don't want to loose.
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mimpi

Quote from: spacial on October 17, 2011, 06:12:34 AM
I'm pretty sure there are a number of options. Citing Islamic banks is especially useful as it's an example which many might not have thought of at first.

What will be really foolish is to do nothing. The warning signs are there. The bigger banks especially, as going to be turning the screws, increasingly.

Complaining of too few branches, complications, having to write to debitors or creditors, these are excuses. That some companies refuse to deal with some banks is their problem.

Do nothing ans suffer the consequences.

Personally, I'm spreading my risks around. I don't have a lot to work with right now, but what I have I don't want to loose.

If everything were to go completely tits up I wouldn't fancy being here in the UK. At least in parts of Africa I know I can survive without money, shelter, food or water and people will share what they have with me and myself likewise. The same is not true here in the West nor in most parts of the developing world.
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Devlyn

I thought bankers were our friends?
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Princess of Hearts

Santander have wrongly taken out £80.00 from my account.   Here is a copy of the email that I sent to their Complaints department.


"Hello

I have been in touch with the Santander complaints department before (see ref:No below).  My complaint this time is that £60.00 has been taken out of my account without justification.    Back in mid September I had £20.00 illegally taken out of my account by Santander.   I contacted your complaints department and I received a letter which stated that the alleged £20.00 overdraft fee had been a mistake on the bank's part.   I was also told that this money would be refunded to my account.  However, three weeks later the money still hasn't been returned to my account and a further £60.00 in overdraft fees which were occurred by Santander's original mistake has been taken out of my account.  I am now £80.00 down thanks to Santander's incompetence. 
I contacted Santander back in September regarding the original £20.00 wrongly taken from my account.  I have the letter that I received in front of me dated 28th September 2011 and signed by a Ms Nicola Botterill which stated that (1) That the original overdraft fee of £20.00 which triggered this latest £60.00 overdraft fee was a mistake and that the £20.00 overdraft fee that I complained about would be returned to me.
Here I am three weeks later still waiting for that £20.00 to be returned to my account.  Today(20/10/11) I discovered that Santander had fraudulently removed a further £60.00 from my account.   Santander as of 21/10/11 now owes me £80.00!
It is too late for written apologies.  I want you to contact your supervisor and if he/she cannot resolve this problem then I want them to get on to their supervisor all the way up the chain of incompetent command until you get a person who can return the money Santander STOLE from me immediately.   I want this person to call me immediately and tell me what they are going to do about returning my stolen money.   Santander has apologized to me once before and then done nothing about my problem.   That money better be in my account first thing Saturday morning or I am going to the media!  No wait I want someone to come to my house Friday night with that money."
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Princess of Hearts

Maybe I should go all Paulie walnuts on their ass?!


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Jeatyn

I've been having this problem for ages. I got an Alliance and Leicester (now santander) account donkeys ago when all you needed to do was fill in a form and give them a pound. I am now stuck with them. My partner isn't able to get a new bank either. Even just to add each other on to our accounts was a huge pain. I would understand if I was asking for loans or even an overdraft....but all I want is a debit card and somewhere other than under my mattress to keep my money.
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Princess of Hearts

Did you know that banks actually don't lend their customers money or their own money.   They simply create the money out of thin air.  They type figures e.g £5000 into your account and then charge you interest.   They then keep back 10% of that £5000 and loan out £4500 and so on.   In this fashion they can roll up the loan.   
If you are having difficulties with repaying a bank loan, write to them and ask them to show you that they sustained a loss. 

Write something like this:

"I conditionally accept your assertion that you loaned me the sum of £5000.  However, to force payment you must provide sight of certified documentation upon penalty of perjury and upon full commercial liability."

They can't do this - though be prepared for a lot of brow-beating and veiled threats of legal action - as they never sustained a loss of that £5000 in the first place.

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