Quote from: @ivan on October 20, 2011, 04:29:06 PM
Many Androgyn's refer to not having a gender. I honestly don't know if that leaves a door open or not.
Some days I feel very genderless, other days I enjoy that proven wrong by someone or something.
It's all so frustrating on a delightful level.

Ativan

I would like to speak to a genderless person. That would be interesting. I actually think there are many here, but I mean IRL.

On a side note, I feel very guilty. I have been snooping a tiny bit in the androgyne "just for us," though I abstain from posting there. Thought briefly of trying to officially join the group, and then talked myself out of it because I know I'm not androgyne. What on earth is wrong with me?

Emma - you're as much of an androgyne as anyone else here - If you want to join the "just for us" forum i'd be glad to have you as a member

Second That

I am sure we could, by consensus, issue you a non-resident reading/writing visa. You are lucky if you know the TRUE meaning of all the gender terms and know which one unequivocally applies to you. Reminds me of Joni Mitchell's song:

I've looked at life from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all

With an androgynous hug,
S

Oh it would be fun, I'm sure. But you must have your safe space. I only see it due to my being on the wiki staff.

If you have any doubts about being Androgyn, then you probably are.
I've always thought of you as Androgyn.
You're the one who insists you're not, the rest of us know you have always been one.

Ativan

Then I posit this question: is it possible to be MTF and A?

Think on this:

Is it possible to have nearly all of the transsexual hallmarks, want a physical body one way so that your dysphoria is cured, and have an ambivalence towards the gender binary? A core sort of ambivalence that dictates behavior and belief, but not the mind / body map?

All things are possible in the forest. All things.

Quote from: EmmaM on October 23, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Then I posit this question: is it possible to be MTF and A?

Think on this:

Is it possible to have nearly all of the transsexual hallmarks, want a physical body one way so that your dysphoria is cured, and have an ambivalence towards the gender binary? A core sort of ambivalence that dictates behavior and belief, but not the mind / body map?

Yes to all of the above. You would simply become a female bodied androgyne

I honestly haven't given it too much consideration, with the recent brain hurricane I'm weathering.

Perhaps it's just a part of me that I have trouble accepting. I do not think it's wise for me to stray from the path of full transition, that much I know...

Edit: riven1: hmmm....

Quote from: EmmaM on October 23, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Then I posit this question: is it possible to be MTF and A?

After a year or so into my transition MTF, I started thinking of myself as M2F2? or something else entirely. I eventually found my way here, and to others using the term androgyne. Anything is possible, we each occupy our own unique place on the gender continuum. I'm still figuring it all out 

Z

With loving and gentle respect...I don't know that what you say is fair to the MtF community Ativan. Being the spouse of a lovely and accepting MtF I know she's not the only one with an open mind.

I turned it over at work, and it seems I don't know... I come here in part because the others make me feel so overwhelmed. They try, they try, I try as well, to piece it altogether so neat and tidy.

I need to be addressed female
I occupy and enjoy female places
I want to live in my relationships as female

I acknowledge and accept that I'm trans
I tried for a time to be as I was bodily born, whereas others seem to have fought it desperately
I don't fight for every scrap of femininity I can find

I don't think I want to paint myself into any corners here, where I feel a little more free, so I will maintain my current M.O.

Does it mean I'm androgyne? You go ahead and decide for yourself. I like to say I'm not, but there are signs which point to that being in my makeup.

I think that's actually a really good way to keep your sanity, Emma. You don't have to try and be ultra-feminine and follow a certain set of rules to be 100% female, 100% woman. Or, if at some point in your life, if it suits you better, a female-bodied androgyne. Seems to me you're just seeking ways in which to be whole, honouring all your interests and desires outside of gendered norms.

I feel that your concern was somewhat valid. Though it would be a great way to rid myself of those I find less helpful.

No worry.

I'm just pretty much making it all up as I go along.  Really everyone is.  That's everyone's big secret that they are a'scared to tell everyone.  That they are just faking it and hoping for the best.

You're just making that up as you go, aren't you?

I did.

Quote from: tekla on October 24, 2011, 02:26:12 PM
I'm just pretty much making it all up as I go along.  Really everyone is.  That's everyone's big secret that they are a'scared to tell everyone.  That they are just faking it and hoping for the best.

Shhh... Why do you keep telling everyone all of the secrets? Troublemaker! Gosh!

That's were I went wrong,...Nobody told me I had to be making it all up.
In that case, consider everything to be nothing more than a lie. Can it have a spark of truth once in a while?
Course you wouldn't be able to tell.
So if you all are lying, then me telling the truth would be just like bull->-bleeped-<-ting my way through.
Of course I could be just making this up as I go, which I'm doing

Ativan