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Why don't a lot of transgirls wear makeup?

Started by Mahsa Tezani, October 24, 2011, 03:21:09 PM

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Joeyboo~ :3

  Lol where is my + 1 woman?!?!

xD I kinda forgot...


Around the house my wife never wears makeup, but if she needs to go to the store for "anything" no matter how short of a trip, she will put on her makeup.  That's her decision, her right, every girls right.

I don't wear makeup around the house either, it's nice to relax.
But if I go out presenting as female, i'd rather not embarrass myself and look a mess by not wearing it.

I hate that I'm getting the vibe that people who are pro-makeup are seen as horrible and unrealistic on this site.

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MarinaM

Quote from: JoeyD on October 24, 2011, 05:12:06 PM

I hate that I'm getting the vibe that people who are pro-makeup are seen as horrible and unrealistic on this site.

I blame me.

I'm a a da** troublemaker, see what I've done?
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Joeyboo~ :3

I blame me.
Shut your damn pretty face.

It's others :P
whom i'm not gonna name.
because thats rude.
and I'm not a rude person.

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angelfaced

i need to throw my opinion in here. a lot of women dont need makeup,especailly those who are very young, thats very much true. however, for ts women, MOST DO.  so for a ts woman that doesnt pass who still doesnt wear makeup which might help her pass either gives the idea that she doesnt care about her appearance or doesnt care about passing. for that person maybe thats okay, but i disagree. I think it really hurts the ts women who are trying to pass and assimilate into society as a girl. by not doing what you can to pass, its almost like acting like you want to flaunt your ts status, which most of us do not at all. even when i was a boy i was wearing makeupcuz it made me feel better about my appearance. do i need makeup now ? nah i dont think so all the time, but i wear it cuz it makes me more confident as a girl and it makes me feel more attractive, which in turn helps me pass. who wouldnt want that ??? and i rarely see girls my age ( twenty five  to thirty ) without some sort of makeup on their face, and my job is to blend in, so i do what other girls my age are doing, which in turn is wearing makeup most of the time.

oh just to add to this a little bit more. gg's dont have alot of the issues that ts women do wiyth thier face. by the time we get to twenty-five, wever been shaving our faces for 6-7 and for some for 10 years already. that causes alot of damage to the face that women dont have to deal with. to think that you can go around without covering that damage up is almost laughable, cuz for some its one of the tings tat makes you instantly clockable. genetic girls have smooth, soft faces. even the ones that have hair dont have the rough skin that comes from shaving. just saying , that stuff needs to be covered
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MarinaM

Quote from: JoeyD on October 24, 2011, 05:18:24 PM

Shut your damn pretty face.

:D /blushes

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cynthialee

I grew up with a bunch of sisters, and had a drag queen boyfriend when I was 14-15.

I have been doing my make up since I was a kid. (granted it was in the privacy of my bedroom) I think I have had plenty of practice.
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eli77

Wow, skeery serious arguments over face paint. Okay.

I happen to prefer not wearing makeup, at the moment. That may change. Who knows. Who cares? It's makeup.

Well, imma go brush my androgynous hair, put on a men's button-up, my men's green cloth jacket (that amusingly says "New Boy" across the back), and my unisex hi-top black converse, cause I need to go out now. Yes, all that is a luxury of my passability. But try not to forget that there are a lot of different folks at Susan's with a variety of identities and goals.

Just an aside: Mahsa, you do realize that most of those andro girls you are drooling over have nothing on their faces but skin and moisturizer?
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kelly_aus

I don't wear make up much at all.. If I'm going out to some kind of event, sure I'll do a little work around the eyes and add some lipstick.. But day to day? I'll rarely if ever wear it.. And to those who say it 'required'? My comment is this, in the last month or so the only people that have called me he, sir or anything else vaguely male are family members - most of whom immediately correct themselves..

As I've mentioned previously, I'm Dior trained when it comes to make up. So a lack of skill is not an issue for me.. I just don't like the feeling of having my whole face covered, many women in my age group (in my location) don't bother on a day to day basis.. I also work in a kitchen, where the heat and humidity tends to make it slide clean off anyway - despite the use of fixers, etc..

I could go on and on about how saying we all need to conform to stereotypes is wrong, but I'd be wasting my time around here..

Quote from: angelfaced on October 24, 2011, 05:21:00 PM
i need to throw my opinion in here. a lot of women dont need makeup,especailly those who are very young, thats very much true. however, for ts women, MOST DO.  so for a ts woman that doesnt pass who still doesnt wear makeup which might help her pass either gives the idea that she doesnt care about her appearance or doesnt care about passing. for that person maybe thats okay, but i disagree. I think it really hurts the ts women who are trying to pass and assimilate into society as a girl. by not doing what you can to pass, its almost like acting like you want to flaunt your ts status, which most of us do not at all. even when i was a boy i was wearing makeupcuz it made me feel better about my appearance. do i need makeup now ? nah i dont think so all the time, but i wear it cuz it makes me more confident as a girl and it makes me feel more attractive, which in turn helps me pass. who wouldnt want that ??? and i rarely see girls my age ( twenty five  to thirty ) without some sort of makeup on their face, and my job is to blend in, so i do what other girls my age are doing, which in turn is wearing makeup most of the time.

oh just to add to this a little bit more. gg's dont have alot of the issues that ts women do wiyth thier face. by the time we get to twenty-five, wever been shaving our faces for 6-7 and for some for 10 years already. that causes alot of damage to the face that women dont have to deal with. to think that you can go around without covering that damage up is almost laughable, cuz for some its one of the tings tat makes you instantly clockable. genetic girls have smooth, soft faces. even the ones that have hair dont have the rough skin that comes from shaving. just saying , that stuff needs to be covered

Wow.. that's just so wrong I don't know where to start.. If wearing make up makes you feel good, by all means do it - but don't tell me I need to..  And don't tell me I'm trying to flaunt anything or hurt any body.. I'm just getting on with my life..

I have a nice soft face, (after a proper shave) so much so that the GG's in my family have expressed some jealousy about my skin.. I've never had rough skin, mostly because I recognised from a young age how bad for the skin shaving was and took steps the help and improve it..

My final comment is that broad generalisations and enforcement of gender stereotypes is wrong..
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: JoeyD on October 24, 2011, 05:12:06 PM
  Lol where is my + 1 woman?!?!

xD I kinda forgot...


Around the house my wife never wears makeup, but if she needs to go to the store for "anything" no matter how short of a trip, she will put on her makeup.  That's her decision, her right, every girls right.

I don't wear makeup around the house either, it's nice to relax.
But if I go out presenting as female, i'd rather not embarrass myself and look a mess by not wearing it.

I hate that I'm getting the vibe that people who are pro-makeup are seen as horrible and unrealistic on this site.



+1... People want to justify what they can't do or don't want to do. It's a matter of different opinion.
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Julie Marie

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 24, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
I can't help but notice there are a lot of girls here who seem proud of not wearing makeup. What is the logic in that?

I never go out into public without makeup.  My partner Julie is the same way.  For her, it's a religion!  But I have seen some T-girls out in public with no makeup and I'm afraid to say they out themselves by doing so.  However, these same women make little effort with their voices too.  To each their own, I guess.
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Just Kate

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 24, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
Truth is, all women need some form of makeup to look good. Unless you are swimming or hiking, there is NO REASON not to wear it.

Enlighten me.

I really, really, really don't like this sentiment and am honestly surprised to hear it from a woman.  ALL WOMEN?  Seriously?!?  I think people would see more of women's natural beauty if we as a society didn't create a false sense of beauty through our make up products, surgeries, clothing styles, etc and objectify them all the time.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 24, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
Men want their women to look like trophies...and I totally support that.

And this trophy idea is exactly what I'm talking about.  Thanks for buying into women's continued objectification.  We should be working to change such ideas not be embracing them.

ALL WOMEN!?!?  Sheesh, this blows my mind.

For the record, during my transition I rarely ever wore make up and passed.  It was a luxury I know not all can afford, but I had no problem attracting guys and dating.  I saved wearing make up for special occasions so that I could look really stunning when I wanted to.
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Annah

after reading the entire thread, I came to the conclusion that this thread is really nothing more than both sides of the argument (make or no makeup) putting down each other for doing makeup or not doing makeup.

It's either, none of the girls I know wear makeup and makeup is silly because _________ (sexist, unhealthy, hiding who they are, only ugly people wear it).

Or

All of the girls I know wear makeup and not wearing makeup is silly because _________ (you wont pass, you wont look as good, its not normal).

In all honesty, both arguments are F****D up.



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Joeyboo~ :3

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Sarah Louise

As with so many of the conversations that go on here, neither side is interested in "hearing" what the other side has to say.

Agree to disagree folks and leave it at that.

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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: brIAnna (interalia) on October 24, 2011, 06:00:43 PM

For the record, during my transition I rarely ever wore make up and passed.  It was a luxury I know not all can afford, but I had no problem attracting guys and dating.  I saved wearing make up for special occasions so that I could look really stunning when I wanted to.

I've never had a problem attracting men since I started. But its really what kind of guy persues you. Obiviously I am aiming for surfers, military, jocks, bros, club guys...Not men who go to the renfair and play D&D
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Just Kate

Quote from: JoeyD on October 24, 2011, 06:05:16 PM
:/
Natural beauty lol

It's not real.

It is a shame people have been so desensitized by the "manufactured" beauty of women to recognize natural beauty.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: brIAnna (interalia) on October 24, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
It is a shame people have been so desensitized by the "manufactured" beauty of women to recognize natural beauty.

Natural beauty like what? Give examples.

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Joeyboo~ :3

Quote from: Sarah Louise on October 24, 2011, 06:07:06 PM
As with so many of the conversations that go on here, neither side is interested in "hearing" what the other side has to say.

Quote from: Annah on October 24, 2011, 06:04:46 PM


It's either, none of the girls I know wear makeup and makeup is silly because _________ (sexist, unhealthy, hiding who they are, only ugly people wear it).

Or

All of the girls I know wear makeup and not wearing makeup is silly because _________ (you wont pass, you wont look as good, its not normal).

In all honesty, both arguments are F****D up.




Nooooooooooo.
lol.
that's not it at all.


I understand that people have a right to not wear cosmetics.
I'm not trying to make anyone "conform"

I was just saying that natural beauty is a gimmick and the truth is that hardly any of us who haven't had any surgeries look decent with out makeup on.
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Annah

Quote from: JoeyD on October 24, 2011, 06:19:02 PM



Nooooooooooo.
lol.
that's not it at all.


I understand that people have a right to not wear cosmetics.
I'm not trying to make anyone "conform"

I was just saying that natural beauty is a gimmick and the truth is that hardly any of us who haven't had any surgeries look decent with out makeup on.

that's what Im reading when I am looking at all of these posts and it wasn't directed at you :)  Just the thread in general
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