so i found out that there's a guy in my apartment complex downstairs who happens to be a nazi, or at least racist. I saw him today when i was heading upstairs to my place and he had a sleeve of racist tattoos. I had never seen them before because he usually has "work attire" on which mainly consists of long sleeved work shirts which im guessing he uses to hide the tats. He also has that usual neo nazi look with a shaved head. I noticed he had a swastika on his arm and under that a 1488 which i heard has something to do with heil hitler. Apart from that a confederate flag on his other arm. I dont mean to make generalizations, i kept thinking its possible that maybe he isnt part of that anymore or something but i overheard him the other day while walking to my car, he was talking about the "spicks" and "chinks" in the apartment complex and the "->-bleeped-<-s" he sees at work. I cant help but to feel unsafe living so close to such a ignorant idiot as him especially being a transwoman. Neo nazis seems to be the most radical ignorant morons ive ever seen, ive seen a rally here in tennessee about 2 years ago, where they were pretty much making everyone that isnt white and straight seem like they were less than cockroaches. A old friend of mine got harrased by them because she is a hispanic lesbian woman. I cnt help but to think in the same form they do sometimes, except i feel that they are the ones that should be wiped off the planet, all the ignorant garbage they spew does nothing but create more and more hatred. Im afraid to live here but i have nowhere to go right now. Im gonna be living a little paranoid right now. im guessing that i pass pretty well to him by the way as he has never given me a second glance really but i still dnt feel safe

Wow, this guy does seem scary. 

But you do pass really well, Elsa, so I don't think you should worry too much. 

I only pray no one outs you, though. 

Quote from: Sage on October 23, 2011, 04:45:22 PM
Wow, this guy does seem scary. 

But you do pass really well, Elsa, so I don't think you should worry too much. 

I only pray no one outs you, though. 

i agree with sage but i am pretty sure your talking about modern retake Nazi not a neo Nazi .. now your a girl i doubt he is smart enough to know other wise so don't worry to much

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on October 23, 2011, 05:08:11 PM
i agree with sage but i am pretty sure your talking about modern retake Nazi not a neo Nazi .. now your a girl i doubt he is smart enough to know other wise so don't worry to much

Ever do any reading on Stormfront? These guys know. But they don't consider transsexuals a threat. I get lots of different perspectives on all people.

But chances are he doesn't know... I would just avoid him.

Ugh, just thinking about going there makes me sick to my stomach.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 23, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Ugh, just thinking about going there makes me sick to my stomach.

Meh. I studied all the people who are opposed to me. It is better to know who, what and why...

Helps me become stronger as a person as well.

i just find their way of thinking pathetic, i mean why hate? i bet they dont even know most blacks, mexicans, gays, jews, whatever... i dont get why this way of thinking came to be its totally counter productive and pointless. My mothers husband happens to be a person with this way of thinking and he even had friends who were involved with the klan here in tennessee, of course this is one of the places where its more likely to be kinda like alabama, but come on. One day when i was about 17 years old he found out about the "crossdressing" and proceeded to beat me with a car antenna until i had red streaks all over my body and face, he gave me a black eye and a fat lip just because of the trans issues. I didnt even bother to press charges because i was so scared and i just ran away from there and never looked back. I have a deep hatred for him now even years after the attack and for my mother just for siding with him. These people just make me sick, and they are capable of hurting others for something they cannot change, no one decided who they are u cant choose to be black, brown, gay, straight, etc but these ignorant jerks think they are something special just because they have light skin, eyes and hair. Just pathetic

The Aryan Brotherhood is the only organized Neo-Nazi group I know of stateside, and they're professional criminals, weapons and drug dealers, everything you DON'T want to be involved with. The hitch? I hear that their call is a green four leaf clover, not the swastika. If that's true, your guy is probably not a member. Regardless of whether he is or isn't, we're only debating a matter of the SCALE of the danger he presents, not the fact that he's dangerous.

Avoid this man. He's either an idiot that's into Fascist sub-culture as a way to express his hatred, or he's a genuine Fascist. Either one is bad, and you DON'T want to be near him. He probably won't go so far as to actively attack you if he's a genuine Fascist (they've got bigger things on their plate than terrorizing you).

But if you ever feel threatened then you should probably contact the police and have them drive by your living quarters every now and then. For general defenses, you can do these things:

(a) Have a weapon stashed in your bedroom which you are trained with and can easily access (knives and pepper spray are better than guns for this). By easily access, I don't mean keep it under your pillow, but you should be able to have it in hand and ready to use in ten seconds or less. Invest in a nightstand with a drawer. But don't limit yourself exclusively to this one weapon. Just because you have a baseball bat in your bedroom (I recommend a titanium one for maximum damage), doesn't mean that punch bowl on the table wouldn't break over someone's head and hurt like a bitch besides.
(b) Install a door and window alarm system. The Halloween season is coming around in the US, so you could just buy some really cheap (and loud) screaming door system at a novelty shop if you can't spring for a security company. These things may seem cheap, but they can be loud as hell and will likely disorient/frighten your intruder, if only for a moment. For added effect, get one with a strobe light (gives the location of the target to you and to your neighbors/police). As a result of their low cost, you should be able to put one on every access point in the house. Remember that ALL access points must be examined and equipped (an access point is any conceivable point of entry into your living area). Activating and deactivating the door alarms will be your only inconvenience, as windows aren't opened that much in the age of central air. I also recommend leaving the window alarms on while you're out of the house, and leave only the door you leave from deactivated. Cheap anti-burglary system with no subscription fee. Replace batteries as needed.
(c) Leave selectively chosen (as in, not all) lights on at night. An alternative is to put night lights in every room. The point is to be able to see dimly in every room and hallway in your entire living space. It prevents your intruder from being able to hide effectively in shadows.
(d) Invest in sturdy locks for your doors. Bolt locks work well as you have to physically destroy the frame to get them to open. Avoid chain locks, they're absolutely useless. You may have to explain your situation to an apartment manager to be allowed to equip a rented door with a non-managerial lock, and you may have to give them a duplicate of your key if they allow you to install it. IT IS WORTH ASKING. Also bear in mind that more is not necessarily better. You need to be able to unlock the door and escape in practical amounts of time if the ->-bleeped-<- hits the fan, and there is a limit to how much adding locks really helps besides. No more than three locks (including the one in your handle) will be needed, and that's pushing it.
(e) Shove a piece of paper into your peephole in your door. That's just a window into your house. If you get a knock on your door, you ask who is on the other side and don't open the door for any voice you don't recognize or aren't expecting. If you didn't order a pizza, tell the pizza guy to go <not allowed> himself.
(f) Keep the shades of your windows closed at all times (even if you're on the second floor or higher). Unless you're on the third floor or higher, ensure that your windows are locked at all times that you're not right next to them. If you have a balcony with a sliding door, and are on the third floor or higher, lock it anyway.
(g) Have a series of escape plans based upon the intruder's point of entry. If you've a north and a south door, and you have an intruder to the north, grab your weapon and dash to the south exit. If the intruder busts through a window, flee to the nearest exit to your bedroom. If things get REALLY dicey, always bear in mind that ANY point of entry is also a point of exit. If breaking a window and jumping is what it takes (and you're not ridiculously high up), bust the damn thing.
(h) Check your local laws regarding violence against domestic intruders. Some localities allow you to outright KILL an intruder, while some demand that you give sufficient warning before attacking. I don't know for sure, but there may even be some that forbid attacking an intruder at all. These are important considerations for weapon selection, mostly.

You do all of these things, and I assure you that even a professional burglar will have a bitch of a time slipping into  your apartment unnoticed, let alone an angry Neo-Nazi with a chip on his shoulder. Have a plan, practice home defense, and you will be calmer in the event of an intrusion. Soldiers operate more off of muscle memory than guts and bravado. That's why they train as hard as they do, and so repetitively. As they say in the Army: Vær opmærksom, holde sig i live. Good luck, ElsaG.

Though not always true about the blind followers of such movements, Fascist groups like Nazi's are not ignorant by any means. You can't mistake them for hateful church groups or poorly raised young men with homophobic or racist parents. Fascists are far more meticulous and won't likely fly off the handle when they see something like an African-American couple or gay men making out. These actions are mostly reserved for those of the ignorant lot.

Unless actively engaged in some sort of gang activity, people like this are more likely to express their views in other ways, something the ignorant stereotypes don't fathom.

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on October 23, 2011, 11:17:16 PM
(h) Check your local laws regarding violence against domestic intruders. Some localities allow you to outright KILL an intruder, while some demand that you give sufficient warning before attacking. I don't know for sure, but there may even be some that forbid attacking an intruder at all. These are important considerations for weapon selection, mostly.

For the US, see the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground. Here is a map and some explanation
http://redensign.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/castle-law-stand-your-ground-2/

Quote from: Sage on October 23, 2011, 04:45:22 PM
Wow, this guy does seem scary. 

But you do pass really well, Elsa, so I don't think you should worry too much. 

I only pray no one outs you, though. 

Second that!

I'd be a little creeped out too if I knew scum like that was living nearby.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 23, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Ugh, just thinking about going there makes me sick to my stomach.

I've read stuff there in the past, so I can understand how you feel... It really messes with your mind, how evil people like that can even exist in this world.
Racists make me sick, but their psychopathology is interesting from a clinical standpoint; and I preferred to know what their intentions/strategies are.

Quote from: Morrigan on October 24, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
Though not always true about the blind followers of such movements, Fascist groups like Nazi's are not ignorant by any means.

If not ignorant, should we call them willfully illogical then? Malevolent?

Yes, you would call Nazis malevolent. These aren't dumb hicks looking for a cultural nucleus, these are practitioners of Social Darwinism. Well-educated, radically political, militant, ultra-nationalists whose lifelong dream is to delete our very existence from the annals of history and establish their race as the ONLY race. They're very, VERY dangerous people. And, for what it's worth, I think they're probably about as evil as a human can possibly get while still qualifying as a human being rather than a demon.

Quote from: Sailor_Saturn on October 24, 2011, 10:43:29 PM
Yes, you would call Nazis malevolent. These aren't dumb hicks looking for a cultural nucleus, these are practitioners of Social Darwinism. Well-educated, radically political, militant, ultra-nationalists whose lifelong dream is to delete our very existence from the annals of history and establish their race as the ONLY race. They're very, VERY dangerous people. And, for what it's worth, I think they're probably about as evil as a human can possibly get while still qualifying as a human being rather than a demon.

If they are so intelligent then how can they possibly be so ignorant? If they are smart they would realize most of their views are not smart or logical rather just pathetic and delusional. Their cause in my opinion is a lost one, which makes my point about being delusional. Their beliefs are about as rational and intelligent as someone who has a mental illness. And im sure most people would never think twice about what a sick delusional person has to say. They certainly can be a smart and educated person but it certainly doesnt show with their ridiculous ideals. They act as if they are a gift from god just because they are white and straight? simply pathetic. Also are u referring to their race as only the straight people as well? i know they hate any ethnicity not white and usually gays and everyone not fitting into the white and straight category

This guy alone is most likely a case of all bark, no bite. Though little guys like him, feel ten feet tall in groups.
Still, I definitely wouldn't do anything to provoke this creature. The most dangerous animal in the world is a cornered one.

people are deathly afraid of that which they do not understand, and that transpires into racism as well.  you cant change people with your fists, they see something strange something they dont understand, and they get afraid........teach them the beauty of that strange and they'll no longer be afraid, or hate.

  This guy has a problem.  Be wary of him especially if he is a part of a group.  I am a member of the SPLC and these types are usually in the articles in their Intelligence Report.  Heck, you might find him in one!  A link to the Groups section:  http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups
  You can check out if possibly this guy is a part of a local group here and you can possibly get involved with the SPLC.  There are more types of hate groups out there than the neo-Nazis and the KKK!  And the great majority of those groups just don't like us!
  Joelene

Quote from: Elsa.G on October 24, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
If they are so intelligent then how can they possibly be so ignorant? If they are smart they would realize most of their views are not smart or logical rather just pathetic and delusional. Their cause in my opinion is a lost one, which makes my point about being delusional. Their beliefs are about as rational and intelligent as someone who has a mental illness. And im sure most people would never think twice about what a sick delusional person has to say. They certainly can be a smart and educated person but it certainly doesnt show with their ridiculous ideals. They act as if they are a gift from god just because they are white and straight? simply pathetic. Also are u referring to their race as only the straight people as well? i know they hate any ethnicity not white and usually gays and everyone not fitting into the white and straight category

The thing is, Nazis aren't ignorant. They know how you feel, they know how you think, they know what you want, they know where you come from. They just don't CARE. Furthermore, intelligence does not correlate with any particular attitude toward politics, or even toward other people.

As for their views being irrational, stupid, etc., they actually follow a train of logic which is internally consistent. Their views are immoral, but not illogical. Logical argumentation doesn't have to mesh with reality, it just has to be internally consistent. Let me give you an example:

1. Everyone loves someone who loves someone.
2. Someone loves someone.
Conclusion: Everyone loves everyone.

This is logically consistent because if even one person loves someone (assumption two), then everyone will love that person (assumption one). By virtue of everyone now loving someone, the conclusion can be reached because everyone will love someone, and therefore love one another. This is a traditional logical argument called the Lover's Argument. It's logical, but OBVIOUSLY doesn't reflect reality.

The Nazis' views are logically consistent, though they don't reflect reality and are distasteful to anyone with a modicum of human decency:

1. White, Blond, Blue-eyed Germans are the most perfect humans ever to live.
2. All humans not possessing the qualities described above are inferior.
3. Inferior humans diminish the capacity of humankind to achieve maximal excellence.
4. People opposing the Fascist ideal or who are first concerned about their own lives rather than the ideal oppose human progress.
5. People with the qualities described in 1 but not contributing to the gene pool diminish its capacity to continue, thus opposing human progress.
Conclusion: For the sake of human progress, all people described in 2-5 must be eliminated.

As for them not being rational, it depends on your definition of rational. If you define rational as "behavior contributing to the pursuit of a goal", then Nazis are very rational. If you define rational as "views reflecting experimental evidence and bearing logical consistency", Nazis are irrational because they fail quality one.

Here's what my previous post boils down to:

"You don't have to worry about ignorant, stupid madmen with no real sense as they can be very easily controlled and suppressed. You must be ever vigilant against an intelligent and dedicated madman who will DIE to uphold his ideal. They cannot be easily controlled or suppressed, and pose a genuine danger."

Thank you Sailor Saturn, you explained in detail what I was trying to convey about Intelligent hate groups.

Forgive the usage of Intelligent versus Stupid, these portray no one in particular, and know it is all grey,
there is no top or bottom of the scale.

Intelligent people are more likely to exhibit evil tendencies. While a stupid person might also commit acts of
social injustice, they are most commonly due to an emotional response, and not premeditated as an act of evil.
Because of this an organization of intelligent individuals is more dangerous by far. They are far more difficult to
dissuade from their current path, as the things you would tell them is wrong, according to your morals or laws,
they have already accounted for.