HRC trans board member marries as sex opposite of post-op gender
Posted by LGBT Weekly
Thursday, October 13th, 2011
BY THOM SENZEE

http://lgbtweekly.com/2011/10/13/hrc-trans-board-member-marries-as-sex-opposite-of-post-op-gender/

Transgender Human Rights Campaign board member Megan Stabler has married another woman in Texas by legally declaring her gender as male, a development that could be considered controversial (and perhaps hypocritical) because of Stabler's national prominence, and because of her position at HRC as the only known trans person sitting on the board.

The lesbian couple could not legally marry in Texas as such. But by declaring male gender-identity, presumably by way of a birth certificate that reflected her gender at birth, their union is recognized by that largely far-right leaning state.

This is completely outrageous. I'm sorry but once you chose to transition you need to stick to the damn gender you have chosen. I would NEVER use my male birth certificate to marry someone, sorry I want people to see me as female.

Whatever works.

To me that de-legitimizes transgender people.

Quote from: Andy8715 on October 25, 2011, 08:44:15 PM
To me that de-legitimizes transgender people.

Exactly. It shows it as a choice.. That we can just choose our gender to benefit our needs.

Considering she wouldn't be able to get married to a man in Texas anyway even with surgery, it's not much of a choice. People can think of it however they want, I like to think of it as a giant middle finger. And you know, it's not about gender, it's about 2 people who want to get married.

Remember that we are all different persons here, only sharing our discontempt of our genetic sex.
If the person in question is okay with using her legal sex in order to marry the person she loves then who are we to judge?
Of course it is okay to disagree with this action personally, but please don't extrapolate your own feelings and ideas upon others.

I was merely ranting, and intended no disrespect to anyone.

I say keep your nose out of her buisness.

I have not changed my gender markers and I have no plan on doing so.

There have been instances arise in the last 2 years where people in official capacity have questioned my marriage to Sevan because we look like a lesbian couple. The second that I point out that I am still legaly male they shut up and put up and I hear no more issues.

Am I takeing advantage of 'male privilage'?
You betcha.

So long as this society has the concept of second class citizens I will stack the deck in my favor every time.

Also....
I will not have my marriage questioned. This is the best way of corking off any issues.

The law is what is dehumanizing to us. Finding loopholes in it is a good thing. That this couple found happiness despite an unjust state is all that matters.

To do it privately is one thing.  To do it publically is another.  It's giving people who want to hate us more fuel to the fire.  "you only want to be a man when it's convenient for you"  "you aren't really a same sex couple since you are a 'man' married to a woman"

What you or her wants to do is fine but don't make it public and then expect no one to say anything about it.

Good for her. That law is wrong and circumventing it just shows how pointless it is. Congrats Texas, you just allowed a lesbian couple to marry.

Quote from: Andy8715 on October 25, 2011, 09:47:29 PMIt's giving people who want to hate us more fuel to the fire. "you only want to be a man when it's convenient for you"  "you aren't really a same sex couple since you are a 'man' married to a woman"

Not getting married wouldn't have lessened their bigotry.

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What you or her wants to do is fine but don't make it public and then expect no one to say anything about it.

Marriage is by definition public.

She is a public figure.
She could not have married anyone without getting attention.

We need more people to pull 'scofflaw' actions like this to assit in the fight.

As it stands...any post transition trans person who is gay or lesbian can get a 'same sex' mariage in Texas. Just bring your original birth certificate and marry as your birth sex.

I see using her male birth certificate to get married in TX as a form of political protest against an unjust law. Imagine if a few thousands of us did this. Perhaps we'd see change.

Z

With a population of some 30 million people. There's bound to be a few more of these cases.
I would stick to Austin, Dallas, Houston type areas though.

Quote from: Zythyra on October 25, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
Perhaps we'd see change.

Most likely a change to make sure female identified legally male classified people don't marry legally female classified people and vice versa.

Quote from: Andy8715 on October 26, 2011, 12:10:34 AM
Most likely a change to make sure female identified legally male classified people don't marry legally female classified people and vice versa.

I could beat that law with just a para legal and self representation.

Equal protection of the law......

lol i found this to be ingenious.

She played the system and got legally married. They walked down the aisle as two brides and the State of Texas could not do a damn thing about it because of a legal loophole that they (Texas) created themselves.

Love it!

In my opinion she compromised her integrity by declaring her identity as a male. So now that she has declared herself male, I suppose the correct pronoun to use now is he or him.

It is a setback to the transsexual community because the public will see that we are not serious about our gender and cannot trust what we say. Especially coming from someone seen as a leader.

It is true that a man having SRS doesn't necessarily make him a woman. He just proved that with declaring his manhood legally.

Quote from: Valeriedoeswcs on October 26, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
In my opinion she compromised her integrity by declaring her identity as a male. So now that she has declared herself male, I suppose the correct pronoun to use now is he or him.

Don't you think that goes for each and every TS who used his or her genetic sex in an official way even once in life?
If I had to choose between not getting married with the person I love or making use of a loophole in the law by using my official status, then I'll gladly make that sacrifice.

Even though I live nearly fulltime now there are some situations in which I still must present myself as the sex that is written on my ID in order to prevent serious trouble with the law.