just something I've been wondering about for quite a while.......why we are referred to as elitists?  we referring to post up gals

The most hurtful things I have ever had hurled my way since I started transition were from post-op women who were sitting in judgment, using their post-op status as their credentials for explaining my failings as a person and as a woman when their opinion was neither solicited nor wanted.

It has happened on more than one occasion and in more than one setting.

Now, I know some fabulous post op ladies who would never do that. But I also have yet to have a pre-op woman even come close to what some have said.

It depends on the person. There are some transwomen who claim to have a higher status just because they are post operative. In fact I met one a month ago claiming that everyone who doesn't have the srs as his or her highest priority is just playing dressup and not a real (wo)man.

It is people like these that might give others the unjust image that post op girls see themselves as elitist.

Quote from: LifeInNeon on October 25, 2011, 10:35:30 PM
The most hurtful things I have ever had hurled my way since I started transition were from post-op women who were sitting in judgment, using their post-op status as their credentials for explaining my failings as a person and as a woman when their opinion was neither solicited nor wanted.

It has happened on more than one occasion and in more than one setting.

Now, I know some fabulous post op ladies who would never do that. But I also have yet to have a pre-op woman even come close to what some have said.

eg?

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 25, 2011, 10:39:33 PM
eg?

Some posts in a locked thread in the "ARGGHH" forum, basically to the effect that non-ops (even those who want but can't afford) are not "real women."

imho it's the minority that has issue with currently used terms and the whole "more (whatever) then thou" mentality that could take place within any other group/community.

while I disagree with some of the terms myself, getting something (terms) that both everyone can get behind of and is easy for joe public to understand is the hard part.

Well it's really simple for me. I call people what they ask to be called. Having respect for someone else's identity doesn't cost me anything and it makes them feel great, so why not?

well, for me, I do not believe that crossdressers and ->-bleeped-<-s should not be looped into the transgender umbrella.  I fully believe that they should use a restroom/lockerroom/bathroom that is congruent with their sex and not their presentation. 
I despise being categorically lumped into the same group as a crossdresser and a ->-bleeped-<-.  does that method of thought qualify me as an elitist?  or does my post op status qualify me as an elitist?

Why do you feel TVs should be restricted to men's rooms?

because they dont have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder and have no intentions of ever changing their sex.

oh god, not this argument again. It was beat into a bloody pulp last week

Quote from: Annah on October 25, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
oh god, not this argument again. It was beat into a bloody pulp last week

I wasnt back in here last week.........

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 25, 2011, 10:58:39 PM
well, for me, I do not believe that crossdressers and ->-bleeped-<-s should not be looped into the transgender umbrella.  I fully believe that they should use a restroom/lockerroom/bathroom that is congruent with their sex and not their presentation. 
I despise being categorically lumped into the same group as a crossdresser and a ->-bleeped-<-.  does that method of thought qualify me as an elitist?  or does my post op status qualify me as an elitist?

pretty much, yes. Its that method of thought.
But as a non-op i have the legal right to use the bathroom that is congruent with my presentation under my states anti discrimination law (its specificly listed). It protects me from all kinds of people.

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 25, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
because they dont have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder and have no intentions of ever changing their sex.

I don't have the diagnosis and yet here I am.
(it takes a few years to get the "green light" in my country)

true, Jamie, but the last week before you left back in August you carried this conversation and we beat this into a pulp too.

You've been back for only a day and a half and it's starting right back up again.

Your opinion will never change. Other people's opinion will never change. To keep on bringing this up is kinda fruitless.

The History channel had a rather interesting program on Zombies this evening. It might be rearing as of now.
Though here on Susans, it's the night of the Undead Thread.

Quote from: amanda barber on October 25, 2011, 11:07:10 PM
pretty much, yes. Its that method of thought.
But as a non-op i have the legal right to use the bathroom that is congruent with my presentation under my states anti discrimination law (its specificly listed). It protects me from all kinds of people.

are you taking steps to correct natures mistakes.......estrogen, anti androgyns, planning on surgery or do you just dress as a woman?

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 25, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
because they dont have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder and have no intentions of ever changing their sex.

Is there a way to tell them apart from us? There are a lot of TVs who pass quite well whereas I still look like a man with long hair.

Leaving aside the moral arguments, how would you even police this?

Quote from: Annah on October 25, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
true, Jamie, but the last week before you left back in August you carried this conversation and we beat this into a pulp too.

You've been back for only a day and a half and it's starting right back up again.

Your opinion will never change. Other people's opinion will never change. To keep on bringing this up is kinda fruitless.

you're vastly misinterpreting the original post.  the post wasnt intended to be a discussion about restroom rights and such, it's a question about the majority of post up gals being addressed as "elitists"......

Quote from: Lily on October 25, 2011, 11:12:09 PM
Is there a way to tell them apart from us? There are a lot of TVs who pass quite well whereas I still look like a man with long hair.

Leaving aside the moral arguments, how would you even police this?

but if I happen to be post op and that is my opinion and thought process, does that qualify me as being "elitist?"