Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 25, 2011, 11:15:43 PM
but if I happen to be post op and that is my opinion and thought process, does that qualify me as being "elitist?"

Does it really matter? Wear it with pride.

....
/sigh


I have an androgyn spouse.
I can not get behind anything that may restrict where my spouse can safely go to the toilet.

I do think that there are issues putting everyone of us under an umbrela but it is the best answer to a messy dilema.

Back on topic...

I don't think that all post op women are elietist but there are some that do seem to drip entitlement.

Quote from: amanda barber on October 25, 2011, 11:07:10 PM
pretty much, yes. Its that method of thought.
But as a non-op i have the legal right to use the bathroom that is congruent with my presentation under my states anti discrimination law (its specificly listed). It protects me from all kinds of people.

so what exactly about this thought pattern is elitist?

It sounds to me that you having passed thru the gate, now wish to become the gatekeeper.

Quote from: Michelle. on October 25, 2011, 11:33:33 PM
It sounds to me that you having passed thru the gate, now wish to become the gatekeeper.

me? if so, gatekeeper of what

Of who belongs and who docent belong. She who decides who, " is more equal than others".

This type of divisiveness is like a cancer.

Quote from: Michelle. on October 25, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
Of who belongs and who docent belong. She who decides who, " is more equal than others".

This type of divisiveness is like a cancer.

belong where?

I do not feel elitist, not before and not after SRS.
It might a delusion, if so please tell me.

HOWEVER, certain non- / pre-op members that like to dangle THEIR "dangle" blatantly in your face and keep on telling how much "WOMAN" they are - do become offensive to post-ops, if not "elitist" in THEIR own way?

Like hey! I'm one great gal, sexy woman AND I have and will keep my dangle! Look at ME!

That has the effect of saying: You dumb dolls had to go ALL THE WAY - and how much waste of time, pain and effort. LOOK AT ME! Nice dangle, eh!? And all the fun I have with it, and how LONG it is, golly!

By slightly overstating it above I might make the point that "elitism" is ALSO, or at least appears also, to be practiced on the non-post-op side, yes?

Like hey! I'm even one better, I can be SUCH a WOMAN and be a TV ... fill in what ever else you like.
And you dilly, silly, girls, look at me! I can have it all! Ouch!

Food for thought?
Axelle

Quote from: Axélle on October 25, 2011, 11:51:05 PM
I do not feel elitist, not before and not after SRS.
It might a delusion, if so please tell me.

HOWEVER, certain non- / pre-op members that like to dangle THEIR "dangle" blatantly in your face and keep on telling how much "WOMAN" they are - do become offensive to post-ops, if not "elitist" in THEIR own way?

Like hey! I'm one great gal, sexy woman AND I have and will keep my dangle! Look at ME!

That has the effect of saying: You dumb dolls had to go ALL THE WAY - and how much waste of time, pain and effort. LOOK AT ME! Nice dangle, eh!? And all the fun I have with it, and how LONG it is, golly!

By slightly overstating it above I might make the point that "elitism" is ALSO, or at least appears also, to be practiced on the non-post-op side, yes?

Like hey! I'm even one better, I can be SUCH a WOMAN and be a TV ... fill in what ever else you like.
And you dilly, silly, girls, look at me! I can have it all! Ouch!

Food for thought?
Axelle

me personally, I dont think........no, I know, I'd never refer to a ->-bleeped-<- or crossdresser as being a woman.  for me, it's a whole lot more to the overall picture of a "woman" then just appearance or presentation, but hey, that's just me.
did you enjoy your time in Thailand?  catch any of the kathoey shows while you were there?

Quote from: Laura91 on October 25, 2011, 11:59:13 PM
Well, let's flip that coin to the other side, shall we?

What about a post-op chick walks up to a bunch of bigots and says "I'm post op so I am a woman now!"

Would those bigots agree with her? Nope. Nada. Nu uh.

I think anyone that throws themselves in anyone's face is a douche no matter who they are.

+1

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 25, 2011, 11:57:18 PM
I'd never refer to a ->-bleeped-<- or crossdresser as being a woman.  for me, it's a whole lot more to the overall picture of a "woman" then just appearance or presentation, but hey, that's just me.

Just a practical side question, how would you see the difference between a crossdresser and a pre-hrt transsexual if you met one? Would you call that person by the genetic sex or by the appearance?

Quote from: Venus-Castina on October 26, 2011, 12:03:52 AM
Just a practical side question, how would you see the difference between a crossdresser and a pre-hrt transsexual if you met one? Would you call that person by the genetic sex or by the appearance?

like I said, it's alot more involved than just appearance

Ok, then I'll rephrase it: how would you see the difference between a crossdresser and a pre-hrt transsexual if you met one? Would you call that person by the genetic sex or not?
I am asking this because although I agree with you in theory, I foresee difficulties by putting it into practice.

the answer to that is quite obvious, if they are pre estrogen you wont see any difference which is precisely the reason I said that it's a whole lot more than just appearance!

If it is obvious, then why haven't you answered it?

Jamie, you wrote:

QuoteI'd never refer to a ->-bleeped-<- or crossdresser as being a woman.

Because in real life the difference between a crossdresser and a pre-hrt transsexual is vague at best I wonder how you tell the 2 apart.
If you can't tell the 2 apart, then I wonder how you would refer to one, as male or as female (in case of a male to female ts, or a male crossdresser)?

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did you enjoy your time in Thailand?  catch any of the kathoey shows while you were there?

You joking hon, eh?
In any case I had to mind my post-op "condition" not sitting for any time on chairs, soft or hard... never mind for fun and games.
Working in Malaysia some years back I'd seen it. Seen one seen all. It can be entertaining the first time around though. A lot of cis folks go uh and ah, but so what, um.

Now, the "flipped coin" --- if it REALLY happens the same on each side then we both ELITE(ist), so then FFS what's the argument I ask?!? Please help!

Also a TV makes money as a VERY passable artist (my take) has to, and that is not so with a cd or pre-hrt person in general. Exceptions will always confirm the rule, and YMMV... ah.

Some of the latter can be/act downright embarrassing to the public in general, um?

My 2 cents,
Axelle

Wow. This thread has turned into a textbook case of the attitude the OP was asking about.

Quote from: Venus-Castina on October 26, 2011, 12:22:31 AM
If it is obvious, then why haven't you answered it?

Jamie, you wrote:Because in real life the difference between a crossdresser and a pre-hrt transsexual is vague at best I wonder how you tell the 2 apart.
If you can't tell the 2 apart, then I wonder how you would refer to one, as male or as female (in case of a male to female ts, or a male crossdresser)?

I did answer it, cant you read? lol  there is no way to tell the difference, based on appearance, between a crossdresser and a pre estrogen transsexual.........unless you know them.   now, I may be politically correct and address them with the proper pronoun based on their presentation but that's where it ends.   And, I dont think in any way shape form or manner does that qualify me or any other post op as being elitist

because, some of the things that were said on this forum, were elitist. making claims that someone has to get srs to deserve any treatment or that someone who doesn't have the preop/postop status is an "other" is elitist. it's very offensive.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on October 26, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
because, some of the things that were said on this forum, were elitist. making claims that someone has to get srs to deserve any treatment or that someone who doesn't have the preop/postop status is an "other" is elitist. it's very offensive.

naturally, I'm assuming that you are referring to TV and CD's when you mentioned someone who doesnt have the preop/postop status?