Well I guess that makes me a man also...

Damn...time to detransition.
Too bad about that orchi and BA.

I see her act as an act of manipulation of the system and nothing more. If the only way I could have married Sevan was to take a similar path I would have done it.

This way she gets federal recognition of her marital status. If she had gotten gay married in one of the states where that is legal her marriage would not have federal recognition.
This way she gets her cake and eats it too.

And oh ya....
HI VAL!!!!

Megan Stabler identifies as a woman. It is certainly within your rights to disagree with her actions and to express a dissenting opinion, however, it is unacceptable to misgender her by using male pronouns here in the News Forum.

Zythyra - News Admin

Whether you like it or not, this gets the conversation going. 

People will still SEE two women living together and they will be legally married.  And if the "male" in the marriage was born in a state that allows gender change on the birth certificate, she can make that change now and you'll have two women, legally married, in and by the State of Texas. 

The pot has been stirred.

With all due respect to naysayers, she is the one who marked herself as male.

She called herself a man long enough to get a marriage license.

Like I have already pointed out, in my own circumstances I have had to pull the I am 'legaly' male card to make people in an official capacity stop questioning the validity of my marriage to Sevan.
The diferances in how the system treats a lesbian couple and a 'heterosexual' couple is downright draconian.
There are places in this country where being a lesbian wife will get you a blank stare and the door in monumental things like emergency medical treatment of a non cognizant spouse, or inheritance rights or any other number of things.
Every state and city in this country MUST recognise and respect my marriage.

If gaming the system to your own advantage is the mark of a man, then I must be a man.

A suposition I have to regect if for nothing other than my own sanity.

But then I was taught that gaming the system in certain circumstances is perfectly ok by my step mother...

For myself oneof the reasons I divorced my wife is because it is not legal for women to marry women in the State if Florida and I wish to be consistent with my gender.

Also how could I feel equal to my lesbian sisters if my wife and I remained married and my sisters could not. Our best friends are not able to. That would trigger dysphoria in myself if I gave myself rights they do not have. I would not be able to respect myself, even at the cost if my ex-spouses healthcare and other marital benefits. It wouldn't be right to me.

I also divorced because one of my dreams is to marry a man someday. And when I do I won't be selecting male since I am a woman.

God forbid that something happens to separate Sevan and I.

Should that happen....

I might marry a man if I fell in love with one and if I do ... yep gonna marry him as a woman. But if I fall in love with anouther woman...yep gonna game the system and marry her via the loop holes.

I am a bit of a criminal at heart. I can't help but congradulate her on gaming the system.

I hope that you find that man Val. He is gonna get a good woman out of the deal.

Thank you Cynthia, thats brings a smile. I hope so too.

And your love of Sevan is an inspiration to all.

Quote from: Zythyra on October 26, 2011, 10:47:46 AM
Megan Stabler identifies as a woman. It is certainly within your rights to disagree with her actions and to express a dissenting opinion, however, it is unacceptable to misgender her by using male pronouns here in the News Forum.

Zythyra - News Admin

I know Meghan from HRC. I think she would get a chuckle to see how some are saying she's not really a woman.

She can chuckle all she likes, shes the one that marked male. Shes the one that said shes not a woman.

...or do you think she is saying, I am a woman but marking male? She lost credibility there, in my opinion.

It doesnt send a good message to legislators that we are the gender we say we are. There is no getting around what was done.

I think it will show legislators the absurdity of certain laws.

It can however blow up in our face, I will grant you that. But the staus quo should be chalenged and shaken up.

because things are pretty messed up as they are

Quote from: Zythyra on October 14, 2011, 09:20:14 AM
HRC trans board member marries as sex opposite of post-op gender
Posted by LGBT Weekly
Thursday, October 13th, 2011
BY THOM SENZEE

http://lgbtweekly.com/2011/10/13/hrc-trans-board-member-marries-as-sex-opposite-of-post-op-gender/

Transgender Human Rights Campaign board member Megan Stabler has married another woman in Texas by legally declaring her gender as male, a development that could be considered controversial (and perhaps hypocritical) because of Stabler's national prominence, and because of her position at HRC as the only known trans person sitting on the board.

The lesbian couple could not legally marry in Texas as such. But by declaring male gender-identity, presumably by way of a birth certificate that reflected her gender at birth, their union is recognized by that largely far-right leaning state.

I dont like this story.........it's like taking a step backwards.....

Quote from: Valeriedoeswcs on October 26, 2011, 01:48:19 PM
She can chuckle all she likes, shes the one that marked male. Shes the one that said shes not a woman.

...or do you think she is saying, I am a woman but marking male? She lost credibility there, in my opinion.

It doesnt send a good message to legislators that we are the gender we say we are. There is no getting around what was done.

I agree 100%. 

Quote from: Annah on October 26, 2011, 01:17:51 PM
I know Meghan from HRC. I think she would get a chuckle to see how some are saying she's not really a woman.

maybe, maybe not.......but didnt she declare herself a man for personal gain?  whether she worked the system or not, this does not convey a good message about a very controversial subject in the eyes of the public. 

Well they say you can't put the gennie back in the bottle.

What should the reaction of our comunity be to this?

Outrage or support?

Personaly I am definatly in the support colum. But I am a rebel at heart.

Quote from: Valeriedoeswcs on October 26, 2011, 01:48:19 PM
She can chuckle all she likes, shes the one that marked male. Shes the one that said shes not a woman.

...or do you think she is saying, I am a woman but marking male?

I think she's saying, I am a woman, but am using my status of declared male at birth to protest these ridiculous and discriminatory laws.

Quote from: cynthialee on October 26, 2011, 02:15:48 PM
Outrage or support?

100% support!

Z

Quote from: cynthialee on October 26, 2011, 02:15:48 PM
Well they say you can't put the gennie back in the bottle.

What should the reaction of our comunity be to this?

Outrage or support?

Personaly I am definatly in the support colum. But I am a rebel at heart.

outrage!!  because to me, by declaring herself as a man for the sole purpose of personal gain, it exemplifies exactly what the majority of society thinks.......that despite completing surgery, we are still "men"......shame on her!

I wholeheartedly agree. It is harmful to the community.

I do believe marriage should be available to everyone. But that is a different issue. If my lesbian sisters cannot marry another woman, then neither can I.

but are we not ourselves men in the minds of the majority of society as it is?

We can not set all of our standards by the standards of society at large.
We have already steped out of the bounds of societies standards as it is.

I see her as a woman who just slapped the face of the Texas legal system.

yes, I agree that that is the case.  I dont agree with her declaring herself as male, or should I use masculine pronouns?