Quote from: Sarah Louise on October 27, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
Dialog might be necessary, but the personal insults and digs are not.  That is why so many good topics end up being locked.

agreed

Quote from: Morrigan on October 27, 2011, 06:25:45 PM
Being Iranian does not define a body type. I could be from Nigeria and possess all Danish blood. Generally Persian is used as the body type, and it's not its own type either, because they're still "White" more similar to Semites than the Danish of course   . Saying "Iranian" isn't white, is like saying Greek or Italian are not white, which they are.

Yay! Someone mentioned Denmark! 

Why is there so much anger? It's an argument of entailment. We can't argue that something is a universally applicable characteristic if it's not universally applicable. For example:

"Jack is acting like a person from Kentucky."

What constitutes acting like someone from Kentucky? Is it the southern drawl? The love of country music? The Conservative bent toward social and economic issues? All of these are things you find in many a Kentucky citizen, but they're not universal things for Kentucky's citizens. Now let's try it with gay men:

"Sam is acting like a gay man."

What constitutes acting like a gay man? Is it the frequent sexual promiscuity? Is it the willingness to offer and receive sexual favors in bathrooms? Is it being loud, boisterous, and flamboyant in public? All common things in homosexual male subculture to be sure, but not universal.

Why is this so difficult? This argument should've ended at page one.

Just as we seem to have moved on from one divisive topic of discussion another one seems to have come along.      I don't know anything about gay men or gay culture,and as I only did sociology in first year at university I don't feel qualified to start quoting theory.

straight MTF's have a lot in common with gay men to begin with, there's always the possibility
that they were meant to be a gay man? Silly speculation

Maybe the gay men which don't act in this manner weren't meant to be gay men? Sillier speculation?

People who are different, and proud of it, often like to scream it at the top of their lungs.

Both gay men and transgenders are very different from the social norm, and it's easy to
elicit a response by doing so.

The idea of being "Lady-like" is something that started with conservative views about the fairer
gender, much of it being religious.  A transwoman is usually too old when they transition, to have
been raised in that manner, and if they were young, had liberal, feminist, etc parents perhaps.
Boys are also raised to be achievers, to pride their accomplishments, and generally just "be crazy".
It's a far cry from traditional ladyhood, but it's not something that every transwoman just forgets.

Actually my mother has certain conservative views regarding girls and young women and she holds me especially to them.

I don't know, but I hear that MTFs are even allowed to have different personalities!

  Off topic but OMG happygirl! that puppy is sooooo cute!! I want one...

Quote from: pretty on October 27, 2011, 07:31:24 PM
I don't know, but I hear that MTFs are even allowed to have different personalities!

As I understand it, this is actually a major concern in countries with free healthcare, and some of those therapists demand a strict
and old fashioned, "womanly" dress and attitude.  That doesn't seem to be the case in the US, as it's more about finding
a therapist that deals with transgender at all.

i dont know, maybe because some MTF also identify as gay?

Quote from: Jamie Nicole on October 27, 2011, 07:56:04 PM
i dont know, maybe because some MTF also identify as gay?

+1

Or maybe they are questioning. they thought they were gay but then realized they could be a girl. Who knows.

some of them might act like gay men just because they might be in a stage where they are trying to exxaggerate their femininity. gay men seem to have flamboyant personalities, but i've seen some who are well balanced. it's just stereotypes, they do nothing good.

Quote from: Morrigan on October 27, 2011, 07:36:54 PM
As I understand it, this is actually a major concern in countries with free healthcare, and some of those therapists demand a strict
and old fashioned, "womanly" dress and attitude.  That doesn't seem to be the case in the US, as it's more about finding
a therapist that deals with transgender at all.

Well I would expect an MTF to be feminine (but if they don't want to that's their choice, w/e) but it's not like all women are the same... there's plenty of flamboyant or even obnoxious women, just like there's plenty of other types of women.

The best way to control someone is not to control them at all.

If you don't like a person's behaviour then don't try to control them by asking them to change or hoping your attitude towards them changes.  All you need to do is stop being with this person.   Perhaps if several people did this, and without saying why, the person my change their behaviour as it seems to have cost them friends.  Or again they might never realise this.  Either way it does not matter.

Quote from: pretty on October 27, 2011, 07:31:24 PM
I don't know, but I hear that MTFs are even allowed to have different personalities!

 

If I don't act like a flaming gay boy, then who will?

I did the first year of my transition... Now I just act like a bitchy girl, as many of you on this board have seen.

Oh! Here's a great way of getting back on topic: Take this how you will, but a lot of you ladies should stop bickering and trying to get the last word in. To be blunt, the more I read some (not all!) of these posts, the more I can't help but think of a couple of guys having a pissing match. (Yeah, I totally went there!)

Old habits really do die hard, I guess.

Quote from: Mariposa on October 27, 2011, 09:22:35 PM
Oh! Here's a great way of getting back on topic: Take this how you will, but a lot of you ladies should stop bickering and trying to get the last word in. To be blunt, the more I read some (not all!) of these posts, the more I can't help but think of a couple of guys having a pissing match. (Yeah, I totally went there!)

Old habits really do die hard, I guess.

Best statement in this thread. *hugs*

Quote from: Mariposa on October 27, 2011, 09:22:35 PM
Oh! Here's a great way of getting back on topic: Take this how you will, but a lot of you ladies should stop bickering and trying to get the last word in. To be blunt, the more I read some (not all!) of these posts, the more I can't help but think of a couple of guys having a pissing match. (Yeah, I totally went there!)

Old habits really do die hard, I guess.

the whole "mine is bigger than yours" idea? lol

Quote from: cynthialee on October 27, 2011, 08:37:05 PM

STONE THE HERETIC!!

HA!!